From nobody Sun Jan 21 19:28:32 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TJ3LD6tJBz57Zl7 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TJ3LD4gCGz4d1l; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DDEC89281; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 40LJSXqa095288 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:28:33 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.17.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 40LJSWnE095287; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:28:32 GMT (envelope-from phk) Message-Id: <202401211928.40LJSWnE095287@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Ihor Antonov cc: core@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: The Problem Of Governance (or lack thereof) In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <95285.1705865312.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:28:32 +0000 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TJ3LD4gCGz4d1l X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU] Ihor Antonov writes: > I am a full-time FreeBSD user (both desktop and servers) since 2017. To > me, and to many other community members as I am sure Core does not > really exist. Core is not the "Board of Directors", who makes all the hard decisions, and everybody else shuts up and codes in the direction they are told to. Core is more of a "General Secretary" function, who's job it is to keep the meeting in order, provide paper, pencils and refreshments, and diplomatically try to facilitate the delegates reaching some kind of consensus, or if they cannot, to credibly count the votes. As to Rust in src, the meeting is still ongoing, intelligent and informed opinions and arguments are being exchanged, so core@ is probably leaning back, enjoying the sound of a project humming along just the way core@ likes it to... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.