From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Tue Jun 12 14:10:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB9210167BB for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A24285A6D for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id u4-v6so14746920itg.0 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Ms4lBNgit2yCKSfPj3Mt33v9kn81wRaeDrNgvoFxOYQ=; b=N7KcfWHQ8jJsET+ftAzS/6xe4+7WpS3PaKXVgm8BKwaNAwtYgB+h0DP/qSjeX79xx4 2IGntmPYyGv5HHVgn7UN5yER/C/w/5en45TT+13l0ZcG7Ld96ipmmE02XZiZu6kbnwIv rwSqP3RxjA6YT3JVZ3gU2Nb2S8SbhnEYY9AMSwju983KiQQKCyHHbabGAscoDDEEZPOY AVrruLK4RMFm52ebv62gL5HX2IBLYiJbsnQoazQNeMUAFz4lzhTlEjNr/grIWlzNiWGz pvxqxy8aR07aCt0an52R5BeHgwTuJAsaSI6cEqiO/lgy9Nwo2HrOW+SNaxk2wIR7/7Be 2GSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ms4lBNgit2yCKSfPj3Mt33v9kn81wRaeDrNgvoFxOYQ=; b=hS0ewe0OQcgX/uTE/IIcfaCC3OvFcU5xX6MrTr63y3/rRm6iIOgFOYi5DOFEf+GeNF PWVJ+eefIBe7mG5SK6IrVmhNODod2sQp8eNVvFRX7CflWXpilryzb8fMm6MZL8u343Uv c0XA7J4cdCWlH74wuywi/XKPWGRqGs7KruSYhZLIvud2YRcSD3pf/oNflGHOKgZIdPil 5EzsLFYitB+rc3K2u+Nmkl7fgKg9Ft6H08XhWYKrHDk9JAU9wUWa1UxAIfKce31BgoLy DTKw8MH7H16+tBJNGNlxRp7sauqILeUyTLSLics8ueezxo7vZ2CRSoQ4ltXCGhXETgqY sxwA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3mSYzmJmGorUDLhAaEIfaf5ieKkTHyRqviSPGYeRNh8TuGrvKz BaRMzJ2ncAQE89iw8AzulasnTWr6dKbZLrzJvYFFcw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJteADLwXGaw+CqiJzEMqR8wbl8t52ls6uv1ADiaZi8fo4Tid4M+ikTeuoyuXGErvnkVOwJGSBHJoHaw3m1qFI= X-Received: by 2002:a24:7c8d:: with SMTP id a135-v6mr566593itd.73.1528812619175; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 2002:a4f:d028:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:10:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: References: <201806110132.w5B1WI5d094546@repo.freebsd.org> <344AA709-2DF7-405C-AB4D-4F0978834EA1@FreeBSD.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:10:18 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TNnHm2szG9WPODlYmhbqYHGvjdw Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r334939 - head/stand/lua To: Devin Teske Cc: Kyle Evans , src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:10:20 -0000 On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Jun 11, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > >> >> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:07 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Devin Teske wrote: >> >>> >>> >> At BSD Can there was the boot working group where we discussed that an >> FCP would be required to decide this. >> > > In the working group you weren't listening and being rather combative and > demanding that I do stuff, > > > I think that's an unfair characterization of the situation, but it doesn't > matter -- that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. > I would like to unconditionally apologize for my harsh words to Devin here. I let my frustration get the better of me, which I should not have done. Devin has been quite helpful for a long time with the boot loader and things related to FORTH, and I should not have lashed out like this. I hope she can forgive my ill-chosen words. > so I stopped talking. > > > Hopefully we can _start_ talking. As the principled author of this work, I > want to have a say in its deprecation since I still maintain that body of > work. > Yes. Work is underway to get a draft of a FCP together to start a discussion in arch to come to a data-driven decision. There's no desire to exclude you from this process. Warner