From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 24 19:06:03 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DF1B5610 for <freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaron@heyaaron.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 428E76E1A0 for <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaron@heyaaron.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com with SMTP id v129so32065973vsb.11 for <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QgQQJFTZwfQh+qSJNrY6bzwTxscF8HNnbf66PI9Hy+U=; b=U8hemHeCquKhpT3Gu8hifsvxp8JDDIvhZyj5r69M8Vz1Ob5tDXTD6rEfQUXpjN0Jpu K1a9sg8GeD+KN4HmhZkj/yesrY5eOBRfP/MsSON55IX0D0Db5LPfOm5CcChgLBfw5agJ +DH/gFyiwQ11Pjaj/bd2cn8Mtpxip2ZzSImoZPP18jUYd/l831IhvGbOFkw/Ywfaep/7 0SYAFaZOG4m+8zKnJf4zXD0wER7DOwXbV3BXhJ8gzFKSeDhRCHlYgGyOmMaVEZ6cKXhB hGGClTng42Yyg4L24s3TNkD9uMWf344vr/sgMI7ABW+VNTjtOC4KibGtlUlzvVmNXyyc AboQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVNdL+pS8Oe7gPNRoLLcTUKjlNfZi/VffNoDi3vNQcl498F3w8m /DOSZCkmXR0FbNoVisJiniC9liXqorievEulUOr+PlR+4zA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyEmVufqg72DWgGKXtIYH5Ya35i8HhkfF2ydJ5s3KG/oV6SIVsBMERVB1jT/pB+zjOIoZb0OhxK1sRji8Z3LQc= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f713:: with SMTP id m19mr10980446vso.183.1563995161177; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:06:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CA+QLa9DnEmC0fK81rHGCsuextpN+UjMbraUFKBz0DYeDbz+Tjg@mail.gmail.com> <CAC0r6X-8YpghSCcLAMKtYy=ZTGHZbvMhX7f1Gk5ZQiE92QbEVQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+QLa9BbR9iox5UJr99fZqv=eFm4H6jePDUeKBQ0yq8LhYBMKA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA+QLa9BbR9iox5UJr99fZqv=eFm4H6jePDUeKBQ0yq8LhYBMKA@mail.gmail.com> From: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <CAEE+rGqLhp2Khe_fFhwmTtUxMkF+mTacdbcg_P12HZgSpfdGqw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: Robert Simmons <rsimmons0@gmail.com> Cc: Luke Crooks <luke@solentwholesale.com>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 428E76E1A0 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.02 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[heyaaron.com:s=201609]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-security@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heyaaron.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[heyaaron.com,reject]; IP_SCORE(-3.06)[ip: (-9.74), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.09), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" <freebsd-security.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-security>, <mailto:freebsd-security-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-security@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-security-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security>, <mailto:freebsd-security-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:06:03 -0000 Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to community outcry. (https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/) If your reason for wanting to drop support is "Ubuntu is doing it", my response would be "cool story bro". Can you state what you are trying to accomplish by dropping support so the merits can be debated? -A On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM Robert Simmons <rsimmons0@gmail.com> wrote: > I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone > in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 13:29 Luke Crooks <luke@solentwholesale.com> wrote: > > > Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and > > software technologies, still very much in use today. > > > > > > > > Luke Crooks > > Solent Wholesale Carpets > > > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, <rsimmons0@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove > >> all > >> of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and > >> safer. > >> > >> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and > ftp. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " >