From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 15 17:10:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0B916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:10:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444E943D39 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:10:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i5FHAS1N094939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i5FHASat094938; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:28 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: <20040615171028.GB94698@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Kirk Strauser , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <40CE8CB9.9050504@synthexp.net> <20040615131601.GA32001@millerlite.local.mark-and-erika.com> <20040615134621.GA91079@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <877ju84vj1.fsf@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877ju84vj1.fsf@strauser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Greylist: Message not sent from an IPv4 address, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.3.8 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [0.0.0.0]); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:28 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040612, clamav-milter version 0.72a on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Detaching program from controlling terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:10:46 -0000 --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:48:34AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2004-06-15T13:46:21Z, Matthew Seaman = writes: >=20 > > The fact that sysadmins generally don't know users' passwords, and have= no > > practical means of finding them out if the user doesn't want them to kn= ow > > what it is. >=20 > Install and play with "john". It was enlightening for me. There was a tacit assumption in what I was saying that users wouldn't choose weak passwords. Now, I know that is completely unrealistic and never happens in practice unless a suitably large stick is weilded to concentrate the lusers' minds. It's the difference between theory and practice. =20 > > Since the sysadmin doesn't know what the users' password is on the syst= ems > > he admins, the user can safely use the same password on other systems w= ith > > different admins. >=20 > For the sake of clarity, is that your belief, or are you explaining what > other peoples' opinions? That's the theoretical ideal, assuming that everybody concerned acts in a reasonable way so as not to leave security holes that you could drive a truck through... In practice, it probably isn't like that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAzy2EiD657aJF7eIRAi9QAKCqfUI3F9pAq8nEQ4Lxvu7WYCkGtgCfXtgs F31OqAihki5a+6rBxmyQYuE= =+hjx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl--