From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 30 16:30:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1901065670 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f191.google.com (mail-px0-f191.google.com [209.85.216.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6868FC0A for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so244037pxi.3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zb++xbR6Vnmy+DxGaArxQWt53e7WY28VsSgriY50/6M=; b=TkYmDB3XO0oXzgUG3F0qQ2qquMmm2M2FBuW5z/B04R/+onYFORPGDEnguhQiYG0ybG 3qDqIhfa/DQynKXb8gGq8mJG+SbvOwZWPonI3OxJWKSJILM2V3dsmPKH8l/l+d8BPsJf s2vqnLcoKiahRsIigOUV5d28SAZ7QuPyNKNGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BqEd/w7zBQghBT08GIk0rNFfn5tBPMByF4UwSlMwtDD+8kgXaEx6p4Lu9qbm09YcW/ VRNLtgs2ff4we47SIpqaNp6EzaclXW2NEUy1VHkOI5u8fJ1O3Fx41Xn2RcnMrV4OVv4X GeESyFKhX6JrK0iPky7846IsoE5PEMB84O1Ro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.15 with SMTP id p15mr1582735rvi.275.1246379436070; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906300859m74a6967vdbf74b984f8a316c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4A2025.9020401@otenet.gr> <4ad871310906300859m74a6967vdbf74b984f8a316c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:30:35 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:30:37 -0000 On 6/30/09, Glen Barber wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tim Judd wrote: >>> >>> It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an >>> installation DVD with KDE 3.5. (KDE lost a large amount of voter >>> share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.) >>> > > [snip] > >> >> When I run KDE, I run KDE4. I'm not asking for someone to generate a >> KDE3.5 or KDE4 install medium, but where is the line? >> >> If we make XFCE4, and Gnome2.26, why not Enlightenment, Blackbox, >> KDE3.5, KDE4, etc etc etc? >> >> > > If I remember correctly, there already are two of these [1][2], soon > to be followed by a third [3]. Manolis has made [1] and [2], and I just am starting to wonder where the line will be drawn. Not that I ask for a line to be drawn, rather if it's going to go on forever with 20 (or 20^20) choices for the end user to make. We already have people asking on IRC which ISO to use. > >> >> Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would >> boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit] >> depth)), run firefox or another lightweight browser (even lynx in the >> console if X fails to start) on it's own filesystem or over apache. >> Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for >> your choice of WM from the internet. >> >> >> I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started >> on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to >> the broad public. >> >> So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this. The >> advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of >> course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install >> or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that >> sysinstall offers. >> > > I like the idea, but wouldn't you need console access to get the > network configured? Unless I am misunderstanding your intention, it > appears you are replacing ssh access with apacheXX (or lighttpd, etc). > I like the idea, otherwise. Well, you have to slap in the CD to the drive, right? Let it bootup, do simple net config (if needed) then tell the remote end "Preconfigured with IP x.x.x.x and authentication xuser pass xpass." The issue will be after install and it gets restarted, will the CD boot again and be stuck in that loop. This is the same problem as the existing sysinstall CDs that you have to eject it before it boots again. the NT boot CDs from 2000 onward have a nice function that if the cd is selected to boot, and it times out, it forces (doesn't return control to the BIOS) a HDD boot. Maybe we need to come up with a cd bootloader that accomplishes similar task? Would be a nice boost to the community not to have a stuck CD and not a running OS. As for the actual commands to execute to get this configured, since it's a liveCD, my first thought process to get the tasks done are to SUID the binaries to root, and post-install, the binaries are they're normal binaries. My webpages are never designed as eyecandy. rather they're very boring white page with a form. It's lynx compatible too, after all. > > [1] - http://pcbsd.org/ > [2] - http://www.desktopbsd.net/ > [3] - http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/ > > -- > Glen Barber >