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Date:      Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:09:20 +0000
From:      Chris Rees <crees@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
Cc:        Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Scot Hetzel <swhetzel@gmail.com>, Boris Samorodov <bsam@passap.ru>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: mail/imaptools: port removal at Monday April 9th
Message-ID:  <CADLo838-VS6JCKhg6ZQnZVWY6rNraPr125utDwXkFarCxoQU6g@mail.gmail.com>
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On 9 April 2012 17:49, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.com> wrote:
>> From: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org>
>>
>> Well, whatever he says, he can't revoke the license of what's already
>> been distributed.
>>
>> ########################################################################=
####
>> # Copyright (c) 2008 Rick Sanders <rfs9999@earthlink.net> =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0#
>> # =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0#
>> # Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any =
=A0 =A0#
>> # purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above=
 =A0 #
>> # copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies. =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0#
>
> ...
>
> Exactly !
>
>
>> From: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>
>
>> portmgr's policy is to honor removal requests, no matter the circumstanc=
es.
> ................................................ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=
^^^^
>
>
> Irresponsible. =A0Real 'Managers' shoulder responsibility. =A0So ...
>
> In /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, define a warning variable after
> NO_CDROM, NO_PACKAGE, [ RESTRICTED_FILES ], with example:
>
> =A0WARNING+=3D"Generic author tried to retrospectively withdraw sources."
> =A0# =A0 =A0 Maintainer suggest see files/... & http://...
>
> Allow individual ports Maintainers to indicate status of issues.
> Allow individual installers to decide their Own take on issues, Not Yours=
 !
>
> - Ports wrappers belong to FreeBSD, not generic authors.
> - Sources once published can't be unpublished.
> =A0(IMO No need of a new project & port name to excuse retention).
> - Distfiles if not on freebsd.org site are not even our problem.
>
> portmgr should retain respect by dumping a foolish policy. =A0sticking
> to technical & avoiding programmers guesses & fears about laws, or
> assumptions USA law controls global law or whatever else. Stay
> technical. =A0The globe has 196 countries with their own legal
> jurisdictions, individual installers should be able to make their
> own decision on law & risks & morality as localy appropriate.

Hi Julian,

I understand your viewpoint, but given the horrible experiences
certain people had on this kind of thing (you were around then, too),
I think that the 'make a fork and port that instead' is perfectly
reasonable.  At least then the software has a maintainer.

Chris



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