From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 5 18:27:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A922816A410 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 486DF43D49 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:27:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 64315 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 18:27:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TN+OYKp16K4VaGHnTnw2ZHh7yQveIoOu0aCId0EWGNX8/Zgls5ERgoHqLFZZqXN86FAwat6Awy7PoyD95EboDfRib91w20gk94HpUJfcNOgviukNzDZRvtTJeeWDKuMdZryDWrhRRHaLo9qanKyU/u+oXZnHXfWYmXq69hXTjFI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.31.50.218?) (mikej@rogers.com@70.31.50.218 with plain) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 18:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <445B991F.3050600@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 14:27:43 -0400 From: Mike Jakubik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kirchner References: <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> <44599732.1050905@rogers.com> <20060505080543.GD5466@garage.freebsd.pl> <35c231bf0605051049t2761281ar97b9634b8279b1fd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <35c231bf0605051049t2761281ar97b9634b8279b1fd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Watson , Mark Linimon , Pawel Jakub Dawidek , stable@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:27:42 -0000 This quota/nve problem sure stirred things up, i guess im partly to blame, but anyway i think that it all boils down to is this; FreeBSD users now demand stability and performance, as opposed to an influx of new bells and whistles just before the release. FreeBSD already has many great features which we are happy with, but they need to be refined now. Stabilize and optimize the current code, then focus on new ideas. Yes, new features are important to stay in the game, but they should not arrive at the sacrifice of stability. I think FreeBSD should only be released when known major bugs are worked out. A known broken release to me and most new users is useless, lets not release simply for the sake of numbering. I understand that there are problems, sometimes the users are to blame, other the developer, but we all want a stable, functional and thriving OS (i hope). I wish i was a good Unix C programmer myself, so i could contribute in a more direct way (always hated those damn pointers), but thats just not the case. However i think i have contributed quite a bit in other areas, that may not be visible to everyone. I even managed to get the first (afaik) FreeBSD server in to FedEx, which they are very pleased with btw. I don't mean to offend anyone, i fully understand that this is a volunteer project and i appreciate everyones contribution, its just that i think FreeBSD has some problems currently, and there are quite a few people that are concerned. We all love and want FreeBSD to succeed.