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Date:      Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:52:00 -0800
From:      David Schultz <dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU>
To:        "Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr." <bsder@allcaps.org>
Cc:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>, Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org>, Jeff Behl <jeff@expertcity.com>, fs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: RAID alternatives
Message-ID:  <20030122005200.GA9416@HAL9000.homeunix.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301211550060.6477-100000@mail.allcaps.org>
References:  <20030121202702.GI33821@elvis.mu.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301211550060.6477-100000@mail.allcaps.org>

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Thus spake Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr. <bsder@allcaps.org>:
> * Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org> [030121 12:04] wrote:
> > 
> > You're right, I misread the driver source and thought it wouldn't
> > attach to a 7000 or higher.
> 
> As a side note, I don't use RAID 5 anymore, period.  While RAID 10 is 
> wasteful, a double disk failure normally doesn't take it out.  That's not 
> true for RAID5.
> 
> ATA drives have gotten so crappy that I have had drive failures during the
> process of rebuilding from a drive failure.  Maybe we need a RAID 55 which
> provides resilience against 2 drive failures ...

The organization that protects against a two-disk failure is
usually called RAID Level 6, actually.  It is particularly useful
in very large disk arrays where the probability of a two-disk
failure is nonnegligible.  In smaller disk arrays where high
levels of reliability are required it can also be useful because
drives from the same batch under similar load conditions tend to
fail at about the same time, and because the additional load
during recovery can cause further failures.  However, the overhead
is fairly high for small arrays, to the point where it often makes
more sense to simply use mirroring.

BTW, David Patterson has pointed out that marketing people have
invented all sorts of new terms such as ``RAID 9'' (and maybe even
``RAID 55'' as you suggest) that he never coined.  Maybe he should
have left it at ``mirroring'', ``striping'', ``P+Q redundancy'', etc.

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