From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 10 13:31:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384021065676 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE048FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost.codelab.cz [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3269819E027; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r5bb235.net.upc.cz [86.49.61.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1671119E019; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:30:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B72B50E.1030301@quip.cz> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:30:54 +0100 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Svein Skogen (Listmail Account)" References: <4B6F9A8D.4050907@langille.org> <4B70FEEC.6070007@modulus.org> <20100209063310.GA23387@icarus.home.lan> <4B715AC6.5090500@denninger.net> <20100209134456.GA37029@icarus.home.lan> <4B717340.6080901@quip.cz> <4B717923.7050805@stillbilde.net> In-Reply-To: <4B717923.7050805@stillbilde.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware for home use large storage / remote management KVM card X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:31:00 -0000 Svein Skogen (Listmail Account) wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09.02.2010 15:37, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > *SNIP* >> >> I can't agree with the last statement about HP's iLO. I have addon card >> in ML110 G5 (dedicated NIC), the card is "expensive" and bugs are >> amazing. The management NIC freezes once a day (or more often) with >> older firmware and must be restarted from inside the installed system by >> IPMI command on "localhost". With newer firmware, the interface is >> periodicaly restarded. The virtual media doesn't work at all. It is my >> worst experience with remote management cards. >> I believe that other HP servers with built-in card with different FW is >> working better, this is just my experience. >> >> Next one is eLOM in Sun Fire X2100 (shared NIC using bge + ASF). ASF >> works without problem, but virtual media works only if you are >> connecting by IP address, not by domain name (from Windows machines) and >> there is some issue with timeouts of virtual media / console. >> I reported this + 8 different bugs of web management interface to Sun >> more than year ago - none was fixed. >> >> Next place is for IBM 3650 + RSA II card (dedicated NIC). Expensive, >> something works, somthing not. For example the card can't read CPU >> temperature, so you will not recieve any alert in case of overheating. >> (it was 2 years ago, maybe newer firmware is fixed) >> >> Then I have one Supermicro Twin server 6016TT-TF with built-in IPMI / >> KVM with dedicated NIC port. I found one bug with fan rpm readings (half >> the number compared to BIOS numbers) and one problem with FreeBSD 7.x >> sysinstall (USB keyboard not working, but sysinstall from 8.x works >> without problem). In installed FreeBSD system keyboard and virtual media >> is working without problems. >> >> On the top is Dell R610 DRAC (dedicated NIC) - I didn't find any bugs >> and there are a lot more features compared to concurrent products. >> > > I think the general consensus here is "nice theory lousy > implementation", and the added migraine of no such thing as a common > standard. > > Maybe creating a common standard for this could be a nice GSOC project, > to build a nice "remote console" based on SSH and arm/mips? > > p.s. I've seen the various proprietary remote console solutions. They > didn't really impress me much, so I ended up using off-the-shelf > components for building my servers. Not necessarily cheaper, but at > least it's under _MY_ control. > > //Svein Does anybody have experiences with ATEN IP8000 card? I found it today http://www.aten.com/products/productItem.php?pcid=2006041110563001&psid=20060411131311002&pid=20080401180847001&layerid=subClass1 It is not cheap, but it seems as universal solution for any motherboard with PCI slot. "Host-side OS support - Windows 2000/2003/XP /NT/VistaRedhat 7.1 and above; FreeBSD, Novell" Miroslav Lachman