From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Nov 22 21:24:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E41ADF6301 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:24:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com (mail-io0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF33D6ADE5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:24:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id g73so24599845ioj.8 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:24:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=WTYdc2igxcR+Na1PCujMAeZloRYQjuFUKC5slnlJ9ws=; b=18D1ejyCZ/bHldiP0aYPKnuVCMDBEArsW5Hz8oPw7ZWJqJ5RnpUPuqxUgUcgHzh8ap 53Q+I8SjYQxZkX+BfwBsavKWiZzF9fXOFFhmh5F2Pz5BBYc9r9RCfErbgyh3Vj5X4FFA 6NqoTYqoEja8e/HHIGNW8XrPNE4OyJ2qg9C2HeTv5CIqxQ6FUG8IV9dOmRd07HXdgclf s2zZ8gB30RqUJ1QRWi9QI+P0il9MZruA4DjMDSFoih/OJ+DFVsVh/fUQ8pUx+NWve4+V oPfS+GJC9EYk6epUUcgRe/vEry5s8y0QqZQxh4cA2Wo+mdYKziA0uB+20MYFwP08Y4mo SW4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WTYdc2igxcR+Na1PCujMAeZloRYQjuFUKC5slnlJ9ws=; b=KTB13hLRvEzfxbmVbI8YzIwWBCRyNiS5iDVnnd7qxnFPQ5S43VU/tDvFeMOdWGPZLD Ui8ynNN3AMpMSDD6knrOpf1AV2XDvETETh1ZkhrRdFyvH7ZmJpOLyvPRDbtj4gLE3/mi QlqPN5NJCmdXhZTZk5ZEIE/9wtxBmc2evzWMmB56LYAdA09CMGHM3QijZtMuAfBne+Vn W/6HgdC3QCWGtVlOhT7aDuISt4BCX4CwSWbG8HVMQMT2BSQ/8tFnXBvrGe0LGBtErKhc 5CTACQcGmGADVHLVRvP8by8AsfpqTXBGZL5lduN5hoYsBT5TSWcfzr+x/fXg5Nz9lrFK xeuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6y6jT2i5xHqFy2KCTs5oInYqjzCAlHwvkTyaF+HgrwybWAHYoB PM6dg/sD1r9KVYEskL/EtS5nUx/oS/plYNoItKH5WQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZiEhbts1hc7gqhe9vNo5qZDBEvF20iT36TyT7ZneivDPqXuMVDVGKZHOzERqn6QIbqH/IVDiXv74J+mEUOORo= X-Received: by 10.107.52.140 with SMTP id b134mr7099614ioa.291.1511385896810; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:24:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:24:56 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:6561:a5e8:a74:eef3] In-Reply-To: <5A15E921.8000007@Wilcox-Tech.com> References: <5A15DDFA.8060302@Wilcox-Tech.com> <5A15E921.8000007@Wilcox-Tech.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:24:56 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1xIdCVwmydC_2ExjoF5ub7Jj7Yo Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: "A. Wilcox" Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:24:58 -0000 On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:16 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > On 22/11/17 14:44, Warner Losh wrote: > > If there is no political agenda, then moving the entire thing to a > port > > would have been the right thing to do =E2=80=93 including the datfi= les. > > > > > > No. That would also give the project's endorsement to it. Gone is 'no > > opinion at all' we have. > > > And *since* you have decided that "having a port" implies endorsement of > a project, before I archive this thread, here are a few more ports that > you should probably poke portmaster about: > We've removed ports before because we don't believe they reflect well on the project. However, the examples you cite are lame. None of them that I could tell rise to the same level as what we're talking about. In no case, except maybe the fortune ones, does the project curate a number of disparate views that omits other views. Resorting to this extreme level of "what about"ism isn't helpful in having a rational discussion. Warner