From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Jun 22 20:33:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B13933B49C; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49rLhX3mrGz4NnR; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13:0:0:0:5]) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 05MKXBts016615 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:33:11 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 05MKX6fl035520 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 23 Jun 2020 03:33:06 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: routed && route6d removal proposal To: "Rodney W. Grimes" References: <202006221926.05MJQJwC011867@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Cc: "current@FreeBSD.org" , net , freebsd-hackers From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <33c892bf-5d71-cd65-3041-449cc1bf6e6b@grosbein.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 03:33:00 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202006221926.05MJQJwC011867@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOCAL_FROM, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49rLhX3mrGz4NnR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=permerror (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eugen@grosbein.net uses mechanism not recognized by this client) smtp.mailfrom=eugen@grosbein.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.81 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.901]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.900]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[grosbein.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.09)[0.089]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_PERMFAIL(0.00)[empty SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:33:17 -0000 23.06.2020 2:26, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> 22.06.2020 19:49, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> Whats unmaintained about code that has no need to change cause it just pretty much works? >> Have you actually tried running routed(8) as base for real network with loops, >> mix of p2p and ethernet-like interfaces, IPv4 aliases, need of offset-lists and >> with diameter about 6 hops? > > As I said I know of people that are running and it is working, and > Hiroko's post clearly establishes that as fact in evidence. > > I am not even sure that RIP* has loop detection in the protocol, It has, of course. > as the prefered routing protocol for anything multipath (which > is what loops are in effect) is OSPF. RIPv2 may be used for failover, not for multipath. Any redundant route creates L3 "multipath". >> I'm not talking about RIPv2 inherent deficiencies. >> Our routed just glitches where quagga's ripd just works. > > And your PR# for reporting the bug is? Was. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=51927 Never had a chance to verify if it was really fixed in HEAD because it was not for RELENG_4, so I moved to ripd. As you may remeber, RELENG_5 needed much time to become ready for production.