From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 8 15:49: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE68E37B405 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fB8NmpB09836; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15746; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15742; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:50 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: Brad Knowles , Konstantinos Konstantinidis , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A breath of fresh air.. In-Reply-To: <015f01c17fae$74ebc4d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Pull up a shell window. > > How do you "pull up a shell window" if you have exited the GUI? Why are you bothering to exit the GUI? > > X is not necessarily a "standard", certainly not one that you are > > required to implement. > > Really? So much for arguments in favor of UNIX based on X, eh? > > It's interesting how positions shift. Not really. This in fact furthers the argument. A lot of applications are too difficult to implement in X because of the way X is designed. So you have alternative windowing interfaces. As I said before, you are never locked into anything with Unix. Frankly, there is no reason you have to use Windows on top of DOS. Remember DesqView? OS/2? DOSSHELL? Or any of a hundred other systems? > I'd expect that any UNIX system used as a server would not have a GUI, as it > is just a waste of resources and a security and stability risk. It may be a waste of resources, but it is neither a security or stability risk. > > What's running currently? I dunno, lemme pull up > > a shell window and see: > > Lots of weird stuff. Weird stuff makes me nervous. Ever look at TaskManager under 2000? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message