From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 27 11:58:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE4B14BDB for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:58:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA49970; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:56:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:56:15 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Dennis Cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cobalt blames linux for their security problems! In-Reply-To: <199902271927.OAA26965@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Dennis wrote: > At 09:18 PM 2/27/99 +1030, you wrote: > >On Saturday, 27 February 1999 at 2:16:02 -0500, mike@seidata.com wrote: > >> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: > >> > >>> There's a good idea.. use a free OS and then blame it for your problems.. > >> > >> Tell me about it... here's my response. > >> > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> > >> I had actually looked into some of Cobalt's products... must say I've > >> lost quite a bit of respect for them as a result of their reponse to > >> this issue. Then again, what's to consider anyway... They don't run > >> FreeBSD. ;) > > > >They could just as well have run FreeBSD. The issue here is that they > >(or somebody else) are blaming the OS for their own mistakes. > > Well the RAQ is a RISC processor that FreeBSD doesnt support, so I dont > think that that was an option. Blaming an OS is an OK thing I think...you cant > as a vendor be expected to fix everything thats wrong....PCI shared memory on > secondary buses doesnt seem to work in FreeBSD2.2 (havent tried 3.1 yet)... > you have to blame the OS as its not practical to fix it yourself. Dennis, did you read enough of that article? Their problem was leaving around a .history file, it hadn't anything at all to do with pci probing. That article had more factual screwups (on both sides, to be fair) than I can believe ... let's not make it worse by skimming the facts to fit our moods. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message