From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 18 17:06:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0787916A41F for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:06:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50A343D5D for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:06:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1BE1A3C1A for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2027952B3E; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:06:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:06:12 -0500 From: Kris Kennaway To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051218170611.GA20351@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20051217120101.BBEDB16A440@hub.freebsd.org> <43A45789.7080601@ywave.com> <20051217234448.GA68713@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051218140258.GF7262@laverenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051218140258.GF7262@laverenz.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Release Schedule for 2006 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:06:15 -0000 --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 03:02:58PM +0100, Uwe Laverenz wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:44:48PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > It looks like in the course of writing your long email you forgot to > > describe any of the problems you are having. >=20 > I don't know his exact problems either, but I could name you a few > examples that currently reduce the fun of using FreeBSD: >=20 > - The sound sytem is broken in FreeBSD in all 5.x and 6 versions, and I > would like to listen to a few mp3-files from time to time. Well, no, the "sound system" is not broken, perhaps a driver just doesn't work on your hardware (or you're using the wrong driver). You also forgot to describe your system. > - Keeping the system and the ports up to date gets more and more time > consuming and risky (especially when compared to an "apt-get update && > apt-get upgrade"). For example, the last devel/pear update in the > ports crashed my PHP installations on 2 development machines (still no > clue how to fix this). As far as I can tell nothing has changed here except for random timing of updates. Yes, sometimes when an update it committed it is broken at first or requires extra work on your part to adapt. This has always been true, except thesedays we make a lot more effort to test for problems and describe any additional upgrade steps (see UPDATING). When you encounter a problem, as you apparently did, you need to inform the appropriate people (e.g. port maintainer), otherwise there's no way they can help you to resolve it. Kris --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDpZcCWry0BWjoQKURAkR7AKC6agjb8u4Kejler0KM+l7v99VYAQCg+nlM DIiUWd6DlnczBOkHLpoh4fE= =Nx+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR--