From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:32:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106F010656DF for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-136.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-136.bluehost.com [67.222.39.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D01078FC27 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15108 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kea1HF6syGyHYmDnzx8U7E/xbM4cRpE8EQ0BqhGCkKIOBrZ0nd+G90ypnjkBVQbWczbiv2zCebxSVDxi3dJ/w2+rkNluEhIP510tktT2fiVFPQuSqZaELt83RE+Y1kGV; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCK7H-00034I-Ua for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:32:36 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:32:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:32:07 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215203207.GG60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 -0000 --GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:06:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > base system: nothing appropriate > > > >Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the > >very helpful list traffic, >=20 > helpful for whom? >=20 > >thus producing another 5% of the list traffic > >yourself (directly, and indirectly through annoyed responses to you), but > >for someone to come up with a base-system@freebsd.org list where you can > >hang out and be happy. > > > seems you actively like this mailing list to become big shit. > You WELL know what i am talking about, and you just play with words. Ah -- so now you accuse me of maliciousness. How much worse can your "contributions" to this list get? >=20 > Because i AM very much feared about FreeBSD future not being like lots of= =20 > other free software project, i will do everything to take all idiots,=20 > winusers, "students" that want comparision between different OS in few=20 > words (because they was required at school), questions about one of=20 > million of non-freebsd specific software, stupid discussion about=20 > windoze-like bloatware running under unix etc. etc. >=20 > I really don't care about your opinion, just because it's THE ONLY GOOD= =20 > UNIX LEFT IN THE WORLD now! >=20 > There was linux many years ago, yes - less functional, but WELL DONE, the= y=20 > f...ked it up by quickly adding every stupid features requested. I still haven't figured out why you think that answering questions about DNS on FreeBSD or looking for ways to improve driver support would equate to "adding every stupid features [sic] requested." >=20 > Then i switched to NetBSD, that worked excellent up to 1.5,=20 > and then got f..ked up even more than linux when started to be sponsored= =20 > by "wasabisystems" and possibly other funny companies. They even changed= =20 > the way versions are numbered to get higher numbers faster ;) Did it really get screwed up, or did you just decide it *must* be getting screwed up because development was sponsored? >=20 > Now i'm using FreeBSD and it got better each version. > Really better, not "better". A lot of people would disagree with you about the 5.x releases, judging by what I've read. By all accounts, though, it got back on track. I wonder if NetBSD got better again after you left, if it ever got worse in the first place. >=20 > And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative=20 > now! --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth William Gibson: "The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed." --GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGvscACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUXmACggrRnnN+H9weCbZ5Uo7KzGYNq 8iUAnRlplxw1tvdGQAIPEX4OSzZqII5r =XzYu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx--