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([2607:fb90:a694:54a3:cd89:b3e5:6af5:362b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r185sm14903764pfc.167.2019.05.27.17.47.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2019 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Disabling COMPAT_FREEBSD4/5/6/7/9 as a default kernel option From: Enji Cooper X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16F156) In-Reply-To: <2d16a2a9ac5c090f196674d40d0cb398@ultra-secure.de> Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 17:47:47 -0700 Cc: cem@freebsd.org, voidanix@420blaze.it, freebsd-current , owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E7C1D63-996E-4AA0-A0A4-455B996BB9D6@gmail.com> References: <2d16a2a9ac5c090f196674d40d0cb398@ultra-secure.de> To: rainer@ultra-secure.de X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 379ED8DC67 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=i1Brewa1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yaneurabeya@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::431 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yaneurabeya@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.42 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.935,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-2.97)[ip: (-9.22), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.29), asn: 15169(-2.28), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 00:47:53 -0000 > On May 27, 2019, at 08:27, rainer@ultra-secure.de wrote: >=20 > Am 2019-05-27 17:05, schrieb Conrad Meyer: >> Hi Rainier, >> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:47 AM wrote: >>> I have a 32bit FreeBSD 6 binary that I'll need for a bit until the >>> department who is technically responsible for the service gets around >>> redoing that service. >> Even if this proposal is approved, it would only affect 13+. You >> could still run your FreeBSD 6 binary in a 32-bit 12 VM in a 13+ >> Bhyve. But do consider lighting a fire under whatever department >> thinks it's ok to deploy like that :-). >> Take care, >> Conrad >=20 >=20 > I thought so, too. >=20 > I don't really want to run the abandonware of a RADIUS-server any longer t= han necessary (as absurd as that sounds). >=20 > It's also running a recursive nameserver (previously also authoritative) t= hat is still hard-coded in CPE and computers behind firewalls. >=20 > I first wanted to virtualize it (it's not a big problem) - but this way th= e problem is just dragged out: "But it still works, does it and we have no t= ime". >=20 > Everybody now knows that the clock is ticking, literally. >=20 > Oh, I also remember George Neville-Neil talking about a - what - FreeBSD 4= binary that a certain search-engine had lost the sources for and was runnin= g on FreeBSD 7 with compat4. > (We also have a client who literally begged us to leave a decade-old Solar= is box running through 2019 and half of 2020 so they could continue to do th= eir bookkeeping on a home-grown java-app that I suspect they, too have lost t= he sources to...). It's running jdk15 and getting that thing to run under an= ything semi-decent doesn't seem to have worked-out too well. > So, people pray for the best and don't prepare for the worst. >=20 >=20 > Other stuff I can think of: > - very old Netbackup-Clients (like 5-series), though I doubt they still wo= rk on recent releases, because 7.71 (last official version and intended for = FreeBSD 11) stopped working on FreeBSD12, sadly) > - certain pre-compiled VMWare Tools Modules? Pre open-source-tools (I can n= ever make up my mind if it's VMWare-open-Tools or Open-VMWare-Tools or somet= hing different) >=20 >=20 > What ever people do with COMPAT4-9 - it's bordering the pathological. I=E2=80=99ll counter the OP=E2=80=99s suggestion a bit: It would be nice if the compat options were modularized and printed out an E= OS warning when loaded, so the user was aware that the modules are not suppo= rted by FreeBSD, in terms of security and whatnot. Thanks! -Enji=