From owner-cvs-all Tue Sep 24 15:36:25 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACDC37B401; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thuvia.demon.co.uk (thuvia.demon.co.uk [193.237.34.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E4B43E65; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@thuvia.demon.co.uk) Received: from dotar.thuvia.org (dotar.thuvia.org [10.0.0.4]) by phaidor.thuvia.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8OMaJcF031831; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@thuvia.demon.co.uk) Received: from dotar.thuvia.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by dotar.thuvia.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OMaJLU081083; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@dotar.thuvia.org) Received: (from mark@localhost) by dotar.thuvia.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OMaIBw081082; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:18 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Valentine Message-Id: <200209242236.g8OMaIBw081082@dotar.thuvia.org> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman), Peter Wemm Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libncurses Makefile Cc: cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) > Date: Tue 24 Sep, 2002 > Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libncurses Makefile > < said: > > > begins with a +. Or, use 'sort ./+file' like they would already have to > > do for just about every other unix OS on the planet. > > Except for the ones which are (or will soon be) POSIX-compliant. Does POSIX compliance have to be the default mode, though? It's sure useful to be able to have a POSIX environment available, but it's more important that legacy scripts work out of the box. It's my opinion that the POSIX environment should be opt-in, just like /usr/xpg4/bin is still the Solaris 9 method of obtaining standards compliant behaviour over legacy behaviour. My preference would be to have a /usr/posix for utility variants which conflict with the age old BSD behaviour. This mechanism would also serve to replace the EXPR_COMPAT stuff - I'd _really_ be miffed if release 5.0 of my preferred OS becomes the first OS release to break a huge number of the scripts I've written over the past two decades (I apologise for being way overdue in coming up with a migration proposal for that one...). Standards are good. A working system is better. Cheers, Mark. -- Mark Valentine, Thuvia Labs "Tigers will do ANYTHING for a tuna fish sandwich." Mark Valentine uses "We're kind of stupid that way." *munch* *munch* and endorses FreeBSD -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message