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[184.98.232.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m17sm6893144pfo.182.2020.07.24.07.19.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <396fef64-4856-e87c-1b87-b75cabcc6973@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:19:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCrtz0cGgz4ZVr X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jmD9oHWQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::541 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.250]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.98.232.78:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.895]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.925]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::541:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:19:55 -0000 On 7/24/20 6:27 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 7/24/20 4:28 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> On 2020-07-24 10:50, Christos Chatzaras wrote: >> >>> I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way >>> because it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from >>> EOLed PHP versions. >> >> I always install PHP only in jails, as it keeps my system "clean" of >> something for which there's always a security hole being announced in >> a few days :) >> > > I fully agree with you. The whole flame war of this thread is between > "I want my system just work and have everything without effort" and "I > want my system really secure". Some of us split from Linux to FreeBSD > (servers at least) in pursuit of security, others may be splitting > from FreeBSD to Linux with their goals. I came back because I love the BSD architecture and dislike the ad-hoc nature of Ubuntu's new "features." i keep a Ubuntu machine around for the convenience of a desktop, but I don't expect it to be safe or free of surprises. > > And the only reason this flame war starts on FreeBSD mail list is: > Linux mail lists will kick you out pretty quickly ;-) > Hmmm... sounds like America these days. 'Political Correctness' and 'cancel culture' are the new RightThink. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************