From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 21 16:48:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD606106566C for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lomion@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout026.mac.com (asmtpout026.mac.com [17.148.16.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BF38FC0C for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:48:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [10.0.1.48] (c-68-45-217-29.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [68.45.217.29]) by asmtp026.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTG00CULUJC5010@asmtp026.mac.com> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:47:38 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <00029DC7-4B52-47AC-8EE7-0E4B94631A24@mac.com> From: Lawrence Sica To: spellberg_robert In-reply-to: <4B07451E.8020907@emailrob.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:47:35 -0500 References: <200911200921.nAK9LKpf063202@lurza.secnetix.de> <4B06DD70.8030308@emailrob.com> <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA30ED5BAF@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> <4B07451E.8020907@emailrob.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: "Person, Roderick" , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: lcd monitor manufacturer recommendation request X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:48:20 -0000 On Nov 20, 2009, at 8:40 PM, spellberg_robert wrote: > i thank you, sir, also. > > > > Person, Roderick wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>> ] >>> >>> >>> > You don't have to do anything. >>> >>> [ slow burn, then, sigh ] that's the problem with the world, today. >>> when people don't --have-- to do anything, people don't -- >>> learn_how-- to do >>> anything. >>> oops, i digress. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> You should also note that the refresh rate is pretty much >>>> irrelevant for LCD displays. While 85 Hz did make sense >>>> for CRT monitors in order to avoid flickering, that's not >>>> necessary with LCD monitors. They won't flicker with >>>> 60 Hz which is a very common refresh rate for LCD. >>> >>> this is useful to know. >>> while i --have-- seen some that claim a f_vert up to 85_cps, >>> 75 seems to be a popular top_end. >>> >> You could get an LCD monitor that only has the 15 pin connection, >> then you can >> choose refresh rate and play with modelines. At least on the >> Viewsonic LCD I have >> which is 5 years old I had to do that to get it working. That is if >> you really want to keep doing such things. > > it isn't that i --want-- to keep doing this; it is that i --can-- do > so, if i desire. > for my 500ps, i had set up 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x960 and > 1600x1200; all at 85. > once i had tweaked these to my satisfaction, i left them alone. > this was quite_a_few years ago. > about two weeks ago, i decided to try improving on the 1280x960; > this led to adding 1440x1080, which i like very much, now that i > have used it for a_while. > An LCD is not like an CRT. You cannot mess with resolution and expect it to look good, or even readable in some cases. LCDs are meant to run at a native resolution and switching from them is not recommended in most cases. In fact if you want to tweak much then a LCD is not for you. You don't need to, and really should not, go outside manufacturer settings on an LCD. > you see, i am a hardware guy. > some fellows tweak gasoline engines. > i met a machinist who built a steam_locomotive at 1:8 scale [ i > think it was a 4_8_4 ]. > i have a friend in the flower business [ roses ] who builds chairs > out of wood. > if i had my druthers, > i'd be building small systems out of hcmos 8_bit > single_chip_controllers and msi > [ lately, i have become intrigued by energy_conversion ]. > another way to while_away the time is to > build hf_band receivers and [ < 5_watt ] transmitters out of > vacuum_tubes. > winding coils is --very-- therapeutic. > > > >>>> My recommendation is to go to a shop, look at several >>>> monitors and take the one you like best, irrespective >>>> of the manufacturer. Do *NOT* buy an LCD display that >>>> you haven't seen with your own eyes before. I'm serious. >>> >>> holy moses !!! >>> >>> you are reinforcing my long_held belief that lcd is a downgrade >>> from crt. They are not downgrades, they are just different. There are pros and cons to each. Unless you are doing high end graphics work the main advantages of a CRT don't really apply. Things have changed quite a bit. --Larry