From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 30 13:39:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53663D4 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7123125B2 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s9so3201956iec.21 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=OZIkKJPVckF1Mb2YcBxCGDAHqDJi/revzQxAcw4LoX8=; b=CL7XNn36jIiyGd8Sar7UPwDuRMx1zer8XPojk36YeJy1wqPlj6+AXJQmcHYmOuxkFA uM4Y7niggzvZala/LnXwetUz2IJGYCDuPQ4X5r3PeOycKaqqP+7Kqle4gJxXxHAt5atY 1qYkQccu8a0eI6qCbsFaWccdJzDxrPix8dcvroUsCyxZxC82+QzO8YzXg5KrGajsJu/q txtq0ArqjWO/TPM1l8l3mwIFFpX2/8mz94A+sxcgtMRWONs3STCclb+uT3lHPVuZyxGH 01R20gnAQPo9T2P8KwUiAiybhEgWfnVdZh/Qul0KO8GDFlOe5EPx0WrWifTzbqtP1WW+ kIpA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmwTjqK3bUGVPTIJjwCAfakqSSODyHtUnVXxVuFJh6syjCJusVFa4eoRXn1CAy++Fdc0Wq9 X-Received: by 10.50.115.103 with SMTP id jn7mr6150223igb.1.1377869992695; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53.imp.bsdimp.com (50-78-194-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x6sm3978623igb.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: GCC withdraw Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:39:48 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <201308291057.43027.jhb@freebsd.org> <8F836479-BC3A-4679-A7AA-3BCDD34AE6C5@FreeBSD.org> <201308291344.25562.jhb@freebsd.org> To: David Chisnall X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: FreeBSD Current , toolchain@FreeBSD.org, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org CURRENT" , "Sam Fourman Jr." , Boris Samorodov X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:39:53 -0000 I had a long, rambling reply to this that corrected many of the factual = errors made in it. But why bother. You have your world view, it doesn't = match what people are doing today and this mismatch is going to cause = people pain and suffering in the embedded world far beyond what you = think. And you've shown an extreme reluctance to accept that your world = view isn't quite right, and listen to people. This makes me sad, but I = recognize a lost cause when I see it. Do whatever the fuck you want, but it won't make your arguments right. = And it won't keep me from saying I told you so when your optimistic = timelines don't come to fruition, or the people processors you dismiss = as being too weak to run a full FreeBSD (despite the fact they are doing = it today) complain about the needless pain they are going through. Warner