From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 16:12:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0030CB04 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C57491340 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [73.34.117.227] (helo=ilsoft.org) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XR1Xt-000Glh-WB; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:12:02 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s88GC09b021703; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 73.34.117.227 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+iSJCTOhRo4sBAs6ZrMVd8 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoia.hippie.lan: Host revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240] claimed to be [172.22.42.240] Subject: Re: Improving /etc/motd and ANSI From: Ian Lepore To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: References: <20140908053250.GE82175@funkthat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:11:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1410192719.1150.403.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: John-Mark Gurney , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:12:10 -0000 On Mon, 2014-09-08 at 09:16 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 7 Sep 2014, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > Also, we should reference a url for questions or problems, and not > > include questions@ in the motd... The url can better include > > information, and other places to find help, like for forums.. > ... > > P.S. I've always been confused what command means.. Does it mean the > > program, or the program w/ the arguments? > > Could be either, it's context-sensitive, but point taken. > > New whitespace version: > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/motd/motd.whitespace-url > > This one includes the URL rather than questions@, includes the forum > URL, and removes "command". This is supposedly for low-information users, yet it uses the quintessential unix-geek-shorthand "hier(7)" to reference a manpage. Even if they take the advice of consulting 'man man' there's nothing in there that helps a newbie decode 'hier(7)'. Since there's only one hier topic system wide, maybe we should point them directly to the command 'man hier'. (Aside... I've been working with freebsd since 1996, and I only discovered the existance of hier(7) a couple years ago. I guess that's because 'rm /etc/motd' is one of the first things I do on a new system.) -- Ian