From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu May 16 03:15:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBAA15AAC7E for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 03:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from instructionset@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B11C85F4C for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 03:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from instructionset@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 25A9815AAC68; Thu, 16 May 2019 03:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BC415AAC66; Thu, 16 May 2019 03:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from instructionset@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x742.google.com (mail-qk1-x742.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::742]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77D3E85F44; Thu, 16 May 2019 03:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from instructionset@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x742.google.com with SMTP id a132so1338154qkb.13; Wed, 15 May 2019 20:15:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Kk6MKPCZhUgEySkC0hBC92tUyiSFb4lVIMPOQTE2WVE=; b=cQ2lPOX2Mfmel71b8bROf5Y41qQx9y9uSkHXW9Qc4WfYbfTmuzJOM1DwGwULOZt2wZ iE+iyUJUgBbUW1OORsQjojO/u01vpuUFIOLuB0Bp4/qEgKkFo2id22hETN/3QSVSDHmb Dm1eEO1ieEzOAy25PGVKqN8lXJafHvsp/jFw5hzjgIL01CvHT2szqR8LCZP6gNfI9lIB sIMibq97t/Rk/GPoiPUTHWGkhoCJ01hA3vSskTvHUKQvNHwMRg08UUvTkXvATY1QqyHG UAkhl4jsF5yRjkHWdwy3FVUC887NMI+LMFqyKQEHlviBXkWPBLC+4EcwEZ8/kS/GPVMM +u4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Kk6MKPCZhUgEySkC0hBC92tUyiSFb4lVIMPOQTE2WVE=; b=A5gDJIcc1wrSHc89ho96RN4Z0XmzR0Gsbnwx/TKRwV6n8X68SYz1ooVwNgF+k4S99e HlVNEesxjI6kBNBH/F1tkoozJD0wf8b5PUnWRitWBKM1NyzGWwUsm2uePFnW693xpN8I O4ZNuV/dg6On0CCdRrpQV0VxK5HnVmR18EvxguPzpQNtax2TZBda2Q0bcF3Tvov87g3y C+Ge+DMMd1GMcVh801eRcXVp1yzMztkImYgqxkTTQvKN3fB1HXBUbKMGsWl1ayCRYIeU Twj39DIbpKifSEUK3QxZkIsuGYwd56z00m8oRhlIpmPDL234Xp48MCMImStouFsrQyuY mQsg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUrcnsm7KTrkxVEhqm5cwjb5C/Sefvbs+BPds+zgJjW7HbO5Z+H +XVxS+/SeqdnDecXGZ+beFgtK0ZS4jGjo459r4tBlNx6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzVbKH8WeDVT0UVaxRkVNgrqVeHW5pB/M3urrxRF9TEJVl2u7TikfH3I5/xR7T6B09intWCeGA6yNykXx9bRLQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:b4c6:: with SMTP id d189mr36546789qkf.173.1557976518928; Wed, 15 May 2019 20:15:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201905151425.x4FEPNqk065975@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: From: Bill Sorenson Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 22:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins. To: Matt Garber Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , Mel Pilgrim , core@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 77D3E85F44 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 03:15:21 -0000 > I=E2=80=99m not sure what you meant about Linux distros not categorizing = fixes, though =E2=80=94 with some notable exceptions, most of the big ones = certainly tag security fixes >separately, which is what allows `unattended-= upgrades` on Debian/Ubuntu based systems (and `yum-cron` on RHEL) to work s= o nicely automatically as scheduled on > *only* security errata, while leav= ing all other types of updates alone for admin intervention. My comment about Linux was not in regards to any particular distro, they al= l have interesting policies of varying effectiveness when it comes to release engineering, but specifically about the Linux kernel team (Torvalds Et al,) which last I checked had a policy of specifically not handling security iss= ues any different from any generic bug. Distros may do their own kernel release engineering and handling that themselves which is fine.