From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 12:04:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2896016A421 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3613C4AD for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so1138460uge for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 05:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LRpg4qM6VRQ0Zzv3mDSZg11770HF74e9rvYXphxCWblgDHrw3R1G1crHAVuUD2ph0K7/qOesIwvflsZd2yS41gkVHeKHEflUUw+b171RKr70c4Lx5cxm7Rctspdk4LQcROoPew+6JXCdRPm90KDbAIUQ2j+zjQVFw66mlbVrUKY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K1sYfoXo47snNw1MhRr/tpOxKdpDUcm/4UNHJ8W84akjgrPfYwsh+b03uYF+weFKGvCiE3UgUxCFJyHGOIzCrbixN/nKrtuBCxXoCnmdw6dnrABWtE56VEdwYjalN4lfw5inyrZDSwz5j4XPF91SBidFePrsebemxYrkH4nVWXE= Received: by 10.82.138.6 with SMTP id l6mr12506662bud.1180440281863; Tue, 29 May 2007 05:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.171.9 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 05:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14989d6e0705290504k1d8c5981w83848a71b0209161@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:04:41 +0200 From: "Christian Walther" To: "n j" In-Reply-To: <92bcbda50705290356g70381411m185d9067fa1c3c60@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <465B86F9.3000001@voidmain.net> <465BFD6F.5090507@netfence.it> <92bcbda50705290356g70381411m185d9067fa1c3c60@mail.gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java on the BSD Desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:04:44 -0000 On 29/05/07, n j wrote: > > I am wanting to write a gui frontend to pkg_cutleaves. I see that it is > > just a simple perl script so, it would be quite simple to just put a gtk > > frontend on it and call it a day. However, I am starting to write a > > good amount of code in java and was wondering what others think about > > java as the de-facto gui standard on the BSD desktop. > > For what it's worth, I think Java should be far more present in the > FreeBSD at least as far as desktop is concerned and it's a good > alternative to Qt/Tk/Gtk for GUI applications. Java is a fine serious > programming language whose strongest selling point a long time ago > ceased to be "write once, run anywhere". > I guess if everyone here on this list gives his/her two cents to this topic we're having a nice java advocacy flame war. ;-) So if one wants to write a piece of software in a certain programming language: why not? Maybe there really is a user base for such an application. Personally I never would install such a software title. I think Java is dead slow and needs too much resources to perform a specific tasks, especially when you compare it to a GTK/Qt based application. I've seen many software titles that just work on one plattform - the "write once, run anywhere" market speech has never been done properly. This might be due to way most Java programmers seem to develop their applications: They believe that Java takes care of all tasks they dislike from other languages, such as C. Properly allocating or freeing memory, for example. (Especially when it's a bean used in a Tomcat environment.) I've never seen a complex java application that was usable on different platforms. This includes stuff from IBM, EMC, Sun, BMC and other big players. I know because I ask all the time. Me and my collegues are using Suns "Sunray" thin clients for daily work... Oh yes, and Java can't be installed without downloading the archive manually, because I have to agree to a license. I won't say that Java doesn't have it's uses - but as long as there's an alternative use this.