From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 5 21:04:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4261E16A4DA for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39AF43D62 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:04:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1013339nfc for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G4s9+Jmm6zWOCcVt663EY0PbXn43AsWhS1UfZ74rP9yh/AtnMr+oC2vU5UNAxPZfs0wLhLuRR2ecfOXj9TqV4lDEa7ecjmXAY1e5VJfgGdppXQi7lpCVh+eBd2MVqKQEl3pcMl8iqFC4mrD7ohPETSE9lTnfvbsJ7wm3VltB7ao= Received: by 10.48.230.18 with SMTP id c18mr4466699nfh; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.5 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54db43990610051404x1816135ft9740ec29eb5da23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:04:41 -0400 From: "Bob Johnson" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20061005202144.GA11105@FS.denninger.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061005151925.GA1156@FS.denninger.net> <20061005190822.GA15547@icarus.home.lan> <20061005202144.GA11105@FS.denninger.net> Cc: Karl Denninger Subject: Re: Recommendations for a serial port card you can actually BUY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:04:45 -0000 On 10/5/06, Karl Denninger wrote: [...] > > > I know serial I/O is passe for many, but some of us have applications > that > > > actually require it, and can't rationally be moved to anything else due > > > to external hardware considerations. > > [...] > Serial over IP will not work for either. Serial-via-USB might, and I will > look into that, but I suspect I'm going to get in trouble with that one, > especially if I have to toggle control signals (e.g. DTR, etc) or support > hardware flow control (and for the fax servers, you DO need it if you expect > things to work correctly.) I have used USB-to-serial converters with no problem. All the control signals (at least the ones my applications need) seem to work correctly. I don't remember any brands or models off hand, I bought what was cheap as I needed them and they all worked. "Cheap" means under $20 delivered (for one port). > > FreeBSD's USB support has always been somewhat deficient. For example, > apcupsd can't talk to their UPSs over the USB bus, even though the software > itself knows how, because FreeBSD doesn't know what a UPS is and throws up > its hands when you plug it in. I wasn't aware that the USB to Serial > converters would work - I can try them, but there are a lot of those out > there that don't work right even under Windows - expecting them to under > FreeBSD might be asking too much. I've had no problem getting them to work in FreeBSD. I've had some trouble getting them to work in WIndows. YMMV, but they are so dirt cheap that the time it takes to test one will likely be more significant than the cost of the device. "man uplcom" will give you an idea of what chipsets to look for, although determining the chipset in one of those things is frequently impossible. The uvscom driver seems to support another chipset, but none of my devices use it so I don't know how well it works. At the moment I can't tell you what version of FreeBSD I'm using these under, probably 5.3, maybe 6.0. It isn't reachable to me from where I am. - Bob