From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 4 14:43:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D216B57 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@m5p.com) Received: from mailhost.m5p.com (ip-2-1-0-2.r03.asbnva02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:0:5000::16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930248FC12 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonderland.m5p.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mailhost.m5p.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qA4EhpdH073579 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:43:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from george@m5p.com) Message-ID: <50967F27.80909@m5p.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:43:51 -0500 From: George Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120923 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J on 9.1-RC2 ISO References: <20121103190930.GA23145@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20121103190930.GA23145@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 10.100.0.3 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mailhost.m5p.com [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:43:56 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:43:58 -0000 On 11/03/12 15:09, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > (Please keep me CC'd, as I'm not subscribed to -stable) > > I've CC'd Nathan Whitehorn, who according to bsdinstall(8) is the > author (not sure if maintainer) of the code. > > This default has already begun to bite users/SAs in the ass: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-November/246069.html > > SU+J (the journalling part specifically) needs to be disabled by default > in the installer. This default was a very bad choice and should not > have been done. It either indicates someone was out of touch with the > rest of the issues surrounding the feature, or that someone > intentionally decided "it's the best way to get people using it for > testing" (I have seen this justification presented in the past, and it > is the wrong approach). > > However, since some people DO want it (and those folks don't use dump), > the installer should be modified to make SU+J support toggleable via a a > checkbox. The default, obviously, should be unchecked. > > If the user checks the checkbox, an ominous warning message should be > displayed informing the user of the repercussions. The only option at > that point should be "OK", after which the checkbox is checked. > > Do not tell me "send patches". This issue/problem has gone on long > enough, and the community bitched hard/long enough, that the person who > committed this default should be responsible for fixing it. > > We should operate under the assumption that this bug/problem will never > be fixed. It probably will be, but again, we must operate with the > assumption that Kirk et al will require years to fix it. (It has > already been something like 9 months. Or is it a year?) > > [...] I will give this comment a BIG, BIG, +1! -- George