From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 20:25:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EF216A401 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19E343D75 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:24:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q2so802662uge for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cz38XKH82DdxPYPHXgzL7z26kfxlltMCaDVWyr9V5P+nmfh6Xru0uUdkks++/JTpx3RX2OI0ilhDFi3Mx1VR8xrm6f61umMlu2H0mR4TWK4jTIh2qbHQgY/evUf+5A6mkJp5WjN8ZF/Y1ocZOh8PHlHHAnN1fc/LPO/c1Y+b+nE= Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr245988hua; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.9 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:24:56 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:25:07 -0000 On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be > done on the disk driver. See PR 95184. It was right to shift the > release schedule. > > I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many > people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days, > how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb > disks are wiping everything else off the map. > > In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high > speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude > faster than anything else. Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI > array you want to throw at it. And larger. and a LOT cheaper. > > And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going > to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you > have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with > a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle > of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up > to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of > desktops like that would be out of the question. > Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk sizes. > And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has > come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share. > Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to > the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in > the Linux distros. Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney > motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA > chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going > to provide drivers for anything other than Windows. > > FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already > better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before > 6.1 ships. > The person you should thank is S=F8ren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/ > You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as > buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. - > but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on > the hardware that you can even patch. You are dead in the water > and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the > FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else. > I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands. -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/