From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 1 22:01:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00401065673; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp7.server.rpi.edu (smtp7.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC448FC0C; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp7.server.rpi.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n61M1PgP004811; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:01:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <509A7CA1EA3EA046B1A5BA2FCFDB3C8EECC53324B6@TSS-EXCH01.t-systems.ch> References: <0E6D4FB2-A485-40ED-A856-ACC311A90EFE@msys.ch> <20090630.141340.289711551.imp@bsdimp.com> <7B9C309F-63E3-4CB8-9871-DE2DEE010096@msys.ch> <20090630.164009.2130804684.imp@bsdimp.com>, <1246413402.70460.23.camel@bau er.cse.buffalo.edu> <509A7CA1EA3EA046B1A5BA2FCFDB3C8EECC53324B6@TSS-EXCH01.t-systems.ch> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:01:25 -0400 To: "Blapp, Martin" , Ken Smith , "M. Warner Losh" From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0) X-RPI-SA-Score: 0.10 () [Hold at 20.00] COMBINED_FROM X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.227 Cc: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, mbr@FreeBSD.org, marc@msys.ch, src-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: AW: svn commit: r195200 - in head/usr.sbin: . wake X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:01:44 -0000 At 7:04 AM +0200 7/1/09, Blapp, Martin wrote: >Hi folks, > >I really was not my or Marcs intention to skip any discussions. Rwatson >told us that if we like to see it in 8.0, we need to approve it by RE >and commit it before the 1. of july, and that's what I've done. Sorry >if I've upset anyone. > >Personally I think the tool is quite handy, better than net/wol (which >doesn't seem to work with different interfaces), wake doesn't need any >strange libaries as dependencies and it just a very short one (4k) > >If the concensus is to back it out, I'll back it out. I have no strong opinion on the program itself, and it would be fine with me if it is added after some decent code review, and after 8.0 is done. It sounds like this does have some advantages over 'wol', but I see no urgent reason that this *must* be in 8.0-release. For me, this is not a question of whether the utility is "nice", or what the name of it should be. It's a question of whether it means anything to announce a code freeze if we're constantly going to make exceptions to it. And whether it's fair to rush in a command just under the wire, which then means we'd have to go into an even bigger debate to justify pulling the command out of the base system after we've shipped an official stable-release with it in the system. This is not a utility which is needed to install freebsd, or which is needed before a new install of freebsd gets to the point where it can install things via ports or packages. Please note that I'm not trying to debate the wonderfulness of 'wake' itself. I'm trying to come up with good guidelines which would be used for *any* command which is shows up on the day before an already-announced code freeze. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosehn@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA