From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:17:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EEBB82F for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 20:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pacha.mail.dyslexicfish.net (space.mail.dyslexicfish.net [91.109.5.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F00FB2534 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 20:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from catnip.dyslexicfish.net (space.mail.dyslexicfish.net [91.109.5.35]) by pacha.mail.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s58KH5M2035710; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:17:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@catnip.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by catnip.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id s58KH47v035709; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:17:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <201406082017.s58KH47v035709@catnip.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 21:17:04 +0100 To: george+freebsd@m5p.com, andrnils@gmail.com Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse, but ... References: <5394A848.7030609@m5p.com> <5394B80A.2030901@m5p.com> In-Reply-To: <5394B80A.2030901@m5p.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (pacha.mail.dyslexicfish.net [91.109.5.35]); Sun, 08 Jun 2014 21:17:05 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 20:17:14 -0000 George Mitchell wrote: > On 06/08/14 14:58, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > [...] > > Yes? Can you even buy a system today that is uniprocessor? My phone is a > > dual core thing, and it got written of because of its "meagre" hardware. > > Top of the line phones has 8 cores. [...] > > I'll grant you I haven't had the urge to upgrade recently. My systems > are adequate to my needs, so why should i? -- George Exactly. I don't know enough about ULE/4BSD perforance to comment on that aspect, but that comment from Andreas smacks of elitism. All 3 of my servers, and 2 of my running home machines are single core, and do the job just fine. I'm not going to upgrade for the sake of it, or indeed, pay more per month to rent the servers. I got alot of people into FreeBSD by installing it on their PC's when they claimed Windows was too slow, and they were thinking of upgrading. I'm sure many a 'discarded' single core PC is now whirring away in some corner running a unix-based firewall/file server. Isn't this leanness part of the Unix philosophy? It's not like George or I want better support on 386 PCs! (that is, the literal old 386, not the i386 architecture) Cheers, Jamie