From nobody Mon Aug 8 14:05:29 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-net@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4M1dJb59Zbz4Y4ZR for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 14:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4M1dJZ44X5z41wP; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 14:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id L1Vfoaou0Sp39L3NtoRWm9; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:05:33 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.148.124]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id L3NqoJwIDvn7BL3Nro35fX; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:05:33 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=a/cjSGeF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=62f1182d a=Cwc3rblV8FOMdVN/wOAqyQ==:117 a=Cwc3rblV8FOMdVN/wOAqyQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=biHskzXt2R4A:10 a=cAe2BUNkAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=rnLOraGOf0tbEMBOstEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ggd1tVC6cxfQud7OqMxb:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB05510B4; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 07:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D1CB6139; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 07:05:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Franco Fichtner cc: Cy Schubert , Ben Woods , FreeBSD Net , emaste@freebsd.org, Doug Rabson , roy@marples.name, Hiroki Sato , brooks@freebsd.org, cy@freebsd.org, Philip Paeps Subject: Re: Import dhcpcd(8) into FreeBSD base In-reply-to: References: <9831CA1D-1AE2-4B46-A781-D6B98BECDFBA@opnsense.org> <20220807145236.27FA8225@slippy.cwsent.com> Comments: In-reply-to Franco Fichtner message dated "Mon, 08 Aug 2022 09:27:16 +0200." List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:05:29 -0700 Message-Id: <20220808140529.D1CB6139@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfFUh3HcNq+2/XiAZ/UzTrqNz6Ln+K9mJIQwrNgEJis/OS7LB7uFYyiEr81oonslva7Gy0ggg+k3r3Ze2FeEOuWEjrq2irTsTgeKMJ6D0EP9UjqFmXgw+ o93NAeU19KwI/m6FCpUpvIg058wuUzp3fk9jzoeoy5dl1KdqUxSqGGmkliMn6PbQRK5YiaNHEKqld5IayltRZ0ifKWnBLGuGNqwIi9NbGqAvEwvTV8BYz0OG 66uXLJ+Y8+7ABgFvOmsILqR1/R5P3stF6jx2v7VI6QpPUibza29iYS1U2sHQokEGitu0vvtSuFC4lRaPIyviA1SutgkJCPfqrmxS+kPaNaDBsr/2YCXbbZ5y JT/X2CkD8WWnl12RyolxLiSaLltthqVUYplkyDVTKxKq9HYbdn0n6HksqhlK22Q1xWQgM9+G8GWQwJKwimCtm4ttf3QYf7IHZwAvioFZqB6w+1x+oro= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4M1dJZ44X5z41wP X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com has no SPF policy when checking 3.97.99.33) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[3.97.99.33:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-net@freebsd.org]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cschubert.com: no valid DMARC record]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N In message , Franco Fichtner writes: > > > > On 7. Aug 2022, at 4:52 PM, Cy Schubert = > wrote: > >=20 > > My opinion as well. I need to see a solid business case why what we = > have in=20 > > FreeBSD base needs to be changed and how any proposed change will = > benefit=20 > > all FreeBSD users, not just one depending distribution. Right now I = > just=20 > > don't see it. > > I like the irony here. I can see it clearly. > > What FreeBSD desperately needs is another iflib or WireGuard moment. ;) As the saying goes, "you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar." You are not helping your case with comments like this. ;) -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e**(i*pi)+1=0