From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 20 18:24:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 971EF866 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qe0-x229.google.com (mail-qe0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E44A1D8E for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gh4so2727908qeb.28 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:24:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=x20T8nuNVUudalTQNk+67pG5kitl8TdinJj/nRwH0/w=; b=LjAFeAfoBJDJLvKoE6Fbno6AMq9SMAnN/7xvLmdUs0f5K3ONL9EAFwXttyXzcY6hSu fZesEgooJnmlbo7ZzrztEF6ozLw9sGQ/e8bo/31lCHPo88u+6Pi5R2x31XbGsPE005x4 9jUI5i/N0AoWCXcB48Jy+0BMmXh57jQSQ1uPM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=x20T8nuNVUudalTQNk+67pG5kitl8TdinJj/nRwH0/w=; b=ldCZdrxvtQ2Dcg5HUo4dN7O35RhXbb5gZpDIUytZQ0VdGGrnLJAr6sSzN0VPBMFQTg chjGpPpj4ZxmELTovXSKrjubaJWe47cG5mFfESlJrLNot/IFUI6y7TGsAG9jBZMVzC80 3GFFJudrd3GqeT2yDMZzYoIRSZpBEb7PZKirXlDPzvapXjcbjtdS6jlev1/sy+BaT6MV qs3Jq+SDNf5r1tSWf723dyvRnZ+2fP6sq5DqRH0j7zSgGT5mtfH6WsRts+tvzP+41nP+ D0drN0au3wnTSCX3TzLQD7ruvpg2K/k5cQ7VydcpsTg4keoEmp9efM0fpoA97WvmuM9Y N9kQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlNIwJLjuLONwicQKyA1Z5M/jhLGCHgzFXAhZlpYkXuSCbT5lapGY/+1DipEjHl8PxX4a+T X-Received: by 10.49.35.52 with SMTP id e20mr16518237qej.63.1387563881816; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:24:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.30.194 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:24:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131220175106.GB3805@glaze.hydra> References: <307860.67121.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <201312190944.rBJ9isTx024731@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131219181343.GB47750@glaze.hydra> <7E.1A.08130.15834B25@cdptpa-oedge02> <20131220175106.GB3805@glaze.hydra> From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:24:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing To: Chad Perrin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:24:43 -0000 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:30:09PM +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> >> I think train wreck applies more to sendmail than send-pr. Sendmail >> dates back to long-ago pre-Internet days where computer users didn't >> send email to other computer users. Now a computer user needs to be >> able to send through ISP's SMTP server. > > I think the fact one needs, by default, to have sendmail set up before > one can use send-pr is a problem with send-pr as well. [ bugmeister@ hat off ] I think just about everyone doesn't like send-pr / GNATS. We *are* working to move towards bugzilla. In fact I think a few test emails may have leaked. ;) The question is what to do in the meantime. Merely sending the build log an no additional context (revision of ports tree, what other ports were being installed, etc.) is not useful either as a PR or as an email. In either case this forces the maintainer/developer/contributor to email back and ask for more details. We *do* have documents explaining the needed information but they are long and probably confusing. A simple one paragraph "here is the information we need when you send a bug report" is a good idea. That said, assuming you are providing enough details, a PR is the most helpful as it allows us at least some rudimentary level of tracking. Emails shouldn't be ignored, but also shouldn't be the first resort for bug reports either.