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Date:      Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:22:51 +0100
From:      Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net>
To:        fullermd@over-yonder.net, feld@feld.me
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity,	and lifecycle
Message-ID:  <msi7yn5ioy49oglbbghcb0my.1326975771494@email.android.com>

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