From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 15 13:55:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.yumyumyum.org (dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.171.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 435DB37B416 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30685 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 21:55:00 -0000 Received: from dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net (66.92.171.91) by dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 21:55:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Culver To: Terry Lambert Cc: jstocker@tzi.de, Alexander Kabaev , Martin Blapp , , , , , , , Subject: Re: gcc -O broken in CURRENT In-Reply-To: <3C922C0B.AC440E75@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020315165304.O30658-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I guess it's possible to change over entirely. That would > mean we would loase a.out support because the GNU tools are > becoming incapable of supporting a.out ("all machines we > run on are Linux machines" syndrome). > > If we really wanted to avoid problems like this in the future, > we'd just scrap FreeBSD entirely, and go to Linux, a bit at a > time, starting with ELF, then DWARF2 exceptions, and then > the Linux ABI instead of the FreeBSD ABI, and then all of Linux, > a piece at a time. At the risk of being yelled at, I have a question: Why do we still need to support a.out? I know that a lot of people MIGHT still have some a.out binaries lying around, but FreeBSD's default binary format has been ELF for 3 or 4 years (Since 3.0-3.1 I believe). I'm not saying that we should entirely switch over to the regular gnu toolchain, but is it really necessary to keep supporting a.out? Just my $0.02 Ken > > PS: If I sound annoyed, it's because it's sometimes annoying > to have your toolchain controlled by someone with an interest > in a product that competes with yours; that works for people > competing with Microsoft products on Microsoft platforms with > a need to use Microsoft tools, and it applies to Cygnus being > owned by RedHat and them controlling the FreeBSD tools. > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message