From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 14 20:16:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA36A5212 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D673B8AA7A for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:a239:3b2a:b87c:acc3:80ff:2493] (unknown [172.58.142.147]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D97D44F9E5; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:16:15 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: How to explore Android device files under FreeBSD ? From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20190714182245.GA2405@c720-r342378> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:19:46 -0500 Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <426C3390-6DA4-4B9D-98B7-AD1831027320@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <13b9dc8e-f489-afaf-4b2c-e08277e2ecbd@gmail.com> <20190714194416.6948d301.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190714182245.GA2405@c720-r342378> To: Matthias Apitz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D673B8AA7A X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.34)[-0.344,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.50)[-0.497,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.46)[0.456,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:16:25 -0000 > On Jul 14, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: >=20 > El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 14, 2019 a las 07:44:16p. m. +0200, = Polytropon escribi=C3=B3: >=20 >> Why doesn't it seem to occur to people that this sounds entirely = wrong? >> It's not that it is impossible, or doesn't work - but shouldn't it be >> much easier to copy _your_ photos from _your_ phone without requiring >> a 3rd party app, registering for a crappy cloud service, or mess with >> "developer settings"? >>=20 >> In my opinion, it should be as easy as attaching the USB cable and >> then immediately having access to a direct access mass storage, as >> per the standard. Mount it, copy your files, unmount it, done. No >> need for apps and cloud nonsense. Of course, using an MTP interface >> is also easy, and with GUI tools like gtkam, access is super easy. >> It should work that way by default, with cable. >>=20 >> Why do manufacturers think it's okay to make things needlessly >> complicated? I mean... I even got this working with an iPad, so >> why should an Android-based phone, where Android is usually = considered >> "some kind of Linux", force you to do annoying things? I think with >> the tools available on FreeBSD, it should be possible to get images >> copied from an Android phone without much messing with that phone. >=20 > I slightly disagree. A Linux based mobile device should behave like > this. As a matter of fact, Android by no means should be considered =E2=80=9CLin= ux based=E2=80=9D. (Maemo was one). Even though google used Linux = kernel, but to that they have added big chunk of proprietary code, and = whoever says what that code does will go to prison. Even worse, android = system based devices are designed be more and more resilient to = attempts to reflash onto them with =E2=80=9Cde-googled=E2=80=9D android = clones. I=E2=80=99ve been there recently, and after some time I ended up = removing LineageOS and going back to whatever device vendor shipped = device with. And I do not accept the label of "moron who wasn=E2=80=99t = able to flash another system" (especially after I recovered a couple of = times from HARD bricked state). Google invested a ton of [? Uncounted and unaccounted for taxpayer=E2=80=99= s money ?] into collection of information. It is even deeper task than = brainwashing not only of zombies walking looking into their smart = devices, but everybody. Windows insists on using their browser, and = feeds =E2=80=9Cnews=E2=80=9D selected by them, Mozilla with Firerefox = feeds everyone through their =E2=80=9Cpocket=E2=80=9D, and so on. Yes, = you can tune away the garbage that is on by default, but those of you = who do do not matter as you are resilient to brainwashing anyway. It is = the majority who don=E2=80=99t care that matter, as they will be the = ones who praise =E2=80=9CDemocracy=E2=80=9D which (opposed to = Constitutional Republic) is a dictatorship (of majority over minority). = And this majority will define though democracy what the future will be. = So, brainwashing is tremendously important task. Why do you think the = government is using my taxpayers money for programs to get everyone (who = can not afford to buy one) smart phones. Collection of information is yet even more important. And google = definitely will do everything to guard the return they expect to have on = their investment. Think if independence of American states from Britain = would be successfully achieved if google existed (and was available for = Britain) back then. And yes, everyone who even asks the above questions, not even suggests = answers is usually labeled as =E2=80=9Cconspiracy theorist=E2=80=9D. So, = use your brain while you are not labelling yourself that for thinking = about these matters ;-) Valeri=20 > It should present itself via SSH and allow access to your photos > with scp or rsync+ssh, and if you need some GUI, use something of KDE = or > Gnome which works on top of SSH to present the dirs and files in a > Norton Commander style. My Ubuntu mobile device works like this (and I > do use rsync and ssh/scp all days). The Android based mobiles *could* > behave the same way, but Google does not want this and want that the > user uses something else, for example some cloud. The upcoming Puri.sm > L5 will also be a normal Linux system. I'm awaiting mine in Q3 of this > year. >=20 > matthias >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ = +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > May, 9: =D0=A1=D0=BF=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=CC=81=D0=B1=D0=BE = =D0=BE=D1=81=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B8! = Thank you very much, Russian liberators! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++