From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 00:17:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA00837B423; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-115-75-1.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.75.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9913443FDF; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4699E66CFA; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1EEEE6E1; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:17:16 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Terry Lambert Message-ID: <20030423071715.GB67622@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030422031429.GA82023@chihiro.leafy.idv.tw> <3EA4C0D3.8F7CF9EE@mindspring.com> <20030423041754.N18663@gamplex.bde.org> <3EA5A2EA.F334CED8@mindspring.com> <20030422203234.GE2843@trudy.torrini.home> <3EA5ABBC.5BB3179A@mindspring.com> <20030423003931.GB66188@rot13.obsecurity.org> <3EA62568.BE077889@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EA62568.BE077889@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Mercenary coding (Re: Is there a header conflict?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:17:18 -0000 --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 10:32:24PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:53:16PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > No, it's promptly ignored because it's just useless words that require > > an implementation before it can be of any use to anyone. > >=20 > > I've been offering for several years now to mentor you through the > > process of developing a prototype that is useful to FreeBSD and to > > work with you on getting it accepted into FreeBSD, but as usual you're > > more interested in talking about how cool it would be to have, than in > > following through with code. >=20 > The code is trivial. >=20 > > The offer remains open... >=20 > I have an implementation. Offer to let me sell it using the name > "FreeBSD" without it going back to the FreeBSD source code for a > year, and then maybe we can make a deal. My problem with doing > productization work (and Brett Glass' problem, and a lot of other > people's problem) is, and remains, use of the trademark without > an identical-to-disc-1-disc-and-its-sucky-installer in the final > distribution. I'd even be willing to accept a license like the > original soft updates license, where people other than me are not > allowed to distribute binaries for a year (give me a 1 year exclusive > on the ISO's I create). Sorry, that's not part of the deal (and you're trying to change the subject by regurgitating another tired old debate that was resolved years ago, and misrepresenting the outcome while you're at it). Even if it was up to me (it's not), I'm not going to promise my time and effort in order to put money in your pocket, nor will I promise to get your possibly half-assed code into FreeBSD, sight unseen. If you're only going to contribute "trivial" code to FreeBSD in exchange for money, then you can sod off, because as far as I'm concerned you have nothing of value to offer this community. > FWIW: SCO released their Xenix packaging utilities *years* ago; > if FreeBSD were really interested in the technology, rather than > some schmuck taking over all the work with none of the money, > then they'd just take that code and use it directly. We already have packaging tools that are perfectly adequate for the use you proposed. Stop trying to change the subject. Either go away and work on TerryBSD, contribute to the FreeBSD community, or continue to infest the mailing lists spouting irrelevancies. Please let me know which you choose so I can add you to my killfile if necessary: by now the amount of faith I have that you will ever do something I might consider worthwhile is epsilon. Kris --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+pj37Wry0BWjoQKURApxWAKCWaj9JgX+M9emNPqr4bz+ZghMgVQCgopny cFNhwiTjhgpN74+0iPssigA= =ZKwg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O--