From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 18:01:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FAB106567B for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0593C8FC13 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (cpe-74-77-179-53.buffalo.res.rr.com [74.77.179.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (8.14.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m57I1Ce9059317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:01:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu) From: Ken Smith To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: <5B0709D83455470DA46533C4@Macintosh.local> References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <48472DB6.5030909@samsco.org> <6010676B-91B0-4AF8-ACF8-039A59B29331@netconsonance.com> <200806050248.59229.max@love2party.net> <20080605083907.GD1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <902E9703E6E50776A17E9F92@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20080605220244.GP1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <34E9F0D46D7B9F45EDA38F4C@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <86tzg6aeye.fsf@ds4.des.no> <5B0709D83455470DA46533C4@Macintosh.local> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-CZ989LfjcdYiVNy3A6Dx" Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:01:07 -0400 Message-Id: <1212861667.94878.17.camel@neo.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:01:15 -0000 --=-CZ989LfjcdYiVNy3A6Dx Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 23:37 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > My point still stands. I think the behavior of the developers on the=20 > lists should be of as high a quality as the work they do on the OS (which= ,=20 > as I have stated, is first rate.) Descending to the levels that some hav= e=20 > (some of which you quote here) reflects poorly on the OS and its=20 > developers. I can empathize somewhat with your sentiment. But at the same time I can see where what you are criticizing comes from. As others have said Free Software Projects function as communities. Look around your (real) community. I'm guessing you'll see all sorts of different personalities. And those personalities are often times not shy about speaking their views. Now, factor that in with the following analogy. We've all seen scenes on TV shows or in movies where a customer sends a dish back to the kitchen via the waiter complaining about something. The chef proceeds to pick up a meat cleaver and head towards the door, only to be stopped by the waiter. Sometimes on the mailing lists you'll see the reaction of the chef, there is no waiter to stop him/her. That's just the nature of the community structure surrounding Open Source Projects and it's not unique to FreeBSD. Corporations you can expect to be held to higher standards, or more specifically held to standards that you would hold all corporations to. When on the mailing lists you can't expect "corporate standards", what you'll get is "community standards". --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-CZ989LfjcdYiVNy3A6Dx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkhKzNcACgkQ/G14VSmup/Z3nACgjdsu600+rvRZKlbjLdGXATwA i3IAoJNzJixMixyXB1dZX5eSreBFelis =uGzJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-CZ989LfjcdYiVNy3A6Dx--