From nobody Mon Jan 22 22:00:17 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TJkfx15XFz58JMV for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.antonovs.family", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TJkfw31PVz4SXg; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none ("invalid DKIM record") header.d=antonovs.family header.s=20200215 header.b="dVwMC/II"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=20200215; t=1705960818; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=KxEmsW/MXXTil2x/VcFnBcSHUGwKq4fxz4KSWybiSrM=; b=dVwMC/IIHyLowcxtCcw6MqJrGLzlzwCJ8beila9hiVTZ1XKW/g1ZezJshQqXKn6HWipYbl m1h25N0yt/eZFKqabtMKn8gmyeJukvppK3FFB9ypOH0SEFrNVp6MTHR4/IDonrcj16NKmq PULk4ntfFYDSOfWXNl8MLPz3eH1ZbLk= Received: by mail.antonovs.family (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d26ac604 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <66cfaeff-2054-4160-9634-914af127496f@antonovs.family> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 14:00:17 -0800 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: The Problem Of Governance (or lack thereof) Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-hackers , core@FreeBSD.org References: <202401211928.40LJSWnE095287@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Ihor Antonov In-Reply-To: <202401211928.40LJSWnE095287@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.961]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.874]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[antonovs.family:s=20200215]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:~] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TJkfw31PVz4SXg On 1/21/24 11:28, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Core is not the "Board of Directors", who makes all the hard > decisions, and everybody else shuts up and codes in the direction > they are told to. > > Core is more of a "General Secretary" function, who's job it is to > keep the meeting in order, provide paper, pencils and refreshments, > and diplomatically try to facilitate the delegates reaching some kind > of consensus, or if they cannot, to credibly count the votes. This does not make any sense. Official FreeBSD website says it is > The FreeBSD Core Team constitutes the project’s  *Board of Directors", > responsible for deciding the project’s overall goals and direction* https://www.freebsd.org/administration/#t-core Most recent status report says: > The FreeBSD Core Team is the governing body of FreeBSD. https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2023-07-2023-09/#_freebsd_core_team I find it very confusing. A former core team member and a prominent member of the community openly denies the documented purpose of the elected team. The core itself remains silent. Who to believe? If the core is serving a secretary function - why are we electing secretaries? More importantly - who is responsible for governance then? This is a repeated pattern - the community looks up to the core for leadership, but the core team stays in the shadows or denies it's responsibilities. This is not a sign of a health community, and I am saying this with huge love towards the project and the community. We need to do better than this. -- Ihor Antonov