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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z4sm6729988qkb.94.2021.03.20.03.35.19 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F2cbW0Fv5z1yWp for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:34:58 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210320063427.000040f5@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/WHW1JDuI5pDItoHrV872SfB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2cbZ1nKjz3phC X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=EZP/fHyx; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.39 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.989]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:35:23 -0000 --Sig_/WHW1JDuI5pDItoHrV872SfB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:30:00 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ralf Mardorf >wrote: > >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: =20 >> >Void uses a runit init system with no systemd =20 >> >> Hi, >> >> I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For >> example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux >> without systemd is a bottomless pit. >> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: =20 >> >Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you >> >should not be using any Unix variant =20 >> >> I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the >> kernel might be less effort, than migrating to another operating >> system. If you would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get >> used to systemd. Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you >> chose a Linux distro that doesn't use systemd, you likely will >> experience all kinds of trouble, if you want to customize your >> install.=20 > >I used that tone because it really is simple and if you can't/won't >recompile the kernel before throwing the baby out despite with the bath >water then you really don't have the skills/desire needed to use Unix >effectively... Just to show how trivial it really is > >1. Edit /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC (or i386 instead of amd64 if >your still using it) to comment out the xhci line (line 327 in >12.2-RELASE-pl3) to remove USB 3.0 support >2. cd /usr/src >3. make kernel >4. etcupdate >5. reboot > >Done.... how hard is that? I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum. By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better. What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never were able to get it right. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/WHW1JDuI5pDItoHrV872SfB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBVz9gACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXcncQv+PG+NbEMimEx8MQikuswEph9KbBKtzXSpxma7LxgsMwbA/t/sk6QNpbpb ssXm+AN8HZsuiqiRSZH+rUSFIUMGSk6nwGrqVEQ107FcKgyjKZgzRL6YJtMK+z81 ToaXpQw6zABagtOLgKso2DfxWwYJ3aCsLZMdv+QCTVN+uW/Jcpnu1GMvL7eflxKM WbxNE39WWGoMyxRvo7cm6lXtDQrObauYFvENrB7BGviOSEjSJJzirql/yyuPya82 rtqAL7nfeqhe/e7GGArt/g2+xLF+3nglDDA3UFQpOv3wNp+2I4Ady1T5FbVyz5gU cJpZEOaE3RCI/ddEJ7QmxVw8t7/fezC9ShqJqRmUNRwzVOulP3NcKAgkE1x9VSCY UxTXiUEpNHKaPCjZrGp6fWMhMD08LVc7aqULzkdivXivVW5kPivvJ5tr+8kKL2e0 C+SdzESyHF6UzZgzNuXBA9Keg6FrzzWjKOC9+4HdFhSrQ2vksbiBM1qBACdBNhHJ qTCrbcTd =jmih -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/WHW1JDuI5pDItoHrV872SfB--