From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Jan 5 17:48:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A199714A1F1E for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88D828BACB for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id fq35g4UBl8uQmfq37gfaSu; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 10:47:56 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=XKpOtjpE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=heTAvR70AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Bn_8IDCwR5dZza0Xe58A:9 a=b65MY-mRNaXUlA2V:21 a=Mmb3Dga4NR0Rdmxd:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UrJ2pwYPfabwj1STkZPu:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 070AE4457; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 09:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x05HlorQ062001; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 09:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x05Hln6a061998; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 09:47:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201901051747.x05Hln6a061998@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Wojciech Puchar cc: Cy Schubert , Poul-Henning Kamp , Hackers freeBSD , Igor Mozolevsky , Enji Cooper Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) In-Reply-To: Message from Wojciech Puchar of "Sat, 05 Jan 2019 16:16:39 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 09:47:49 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBBTUzPBa3BNhw/em5v4hYFNz7dYM227oIljEVIYfD41kkeqe/L+WZ8m+yH3nuTblVPBJqF0JsZWcLmx5/BpgGKlDzUEyN2uV3M3VZ0TQYHhP/Cfm/Cg 62tLpUeTfnXWIEf/CO1R1M2bqgalvN6j+hCKKAL+0lG0aSoeHMLs1rBeoYpv10AEBnfUAsaLAOtbIflGM9wROIt/3H+TPJHR59ct33QxOZ1FXrTiT7kNE6ka ghK+Iz3ZvegPgFdj/oRWzmqlgDF7zuTmjQBrQRs3DzSuDmZXKdUeN3YgAbxkMrkL1hYB4X2eXpHm0HGJiHr63g== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 88D828BACB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.956,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[13.134.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.14)[ip: (-6.15), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.48), asn: 6327(-1.98), country: CA(-0.09)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 17:48:04 -0000 In message , Wojciech Puchar wr ites: > >> . > >> > >> FreeBSD should aim for that room, rather than become "Linux-sans-GPL" > > > > We should try to fit into the datacentre. > > > To whose gain? To our gain. Look at illumos, a hobbyists O/S. Do we want to become that? We should aim for the broadest base possible. The desktop is not enough. Neither is a tinkerers toy either. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.