From owner-freebsd-security Mon Oct 9 12: 5:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.simphost.com (alpha.simphost.com [216.253.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A987737B502 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by alpha.simphost.com (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 19B4166B03; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:01:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.simphost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421262D02; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:01:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:01:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" X-Sender: jslivko@alpha.simphost.com To: Craig Cowen Cc: David Talkington , "freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Check Point FW-1 In-Reply-To: <39E04F14.B3CE226C@allmaui.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What about LinuxCare and RedHat Support? Isn't that pretty much the same things as what your reffering to when you say: "1-800-helpIseebluescreens". That's esentially the same thing. Isn't it? --------------------------------------------- Jonathan M. Slivko Sys. Admin, Linux Mafia Internet Services Tech. Support, Simple Hosting Solutions "FreeBSD -- The Power To Serve!" --------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Craig Cowen wrote: > Well I sure have stirred up a topic. > Unfortunately, who ever made the point of covering their (The suits) asses > by means of accountability, hit the nail on the head. > That and not being dependant on me. But I argue on that point that there > are many out there who could utilize IPF. > More important, if the person who will be administering FW-1 can't, then > he/she dosen't know enough about the practice. > > Opinions, like assholes (and this list proves what I am about to say), > everybody has one. > Here is mine. > NT has no reason on this planet except for people who want to reboot their > workstation once a week instead of once a day. > As a matter of fact, given the choice between an NT box and a Mac, I would > go back to bussing tables. > Unix is where it is at, Solaris, BSD, Linux, whatever, there is no equal > and there never will be. > > As for 1-800-helpmeIseebluescreens, they are dummer than the poeple who > choose to purchase the product in the first place and have only cheat > sheets created by the engineers who know what will fail because the Suits > above them had to rush their over priced product to market so that they > could go IPO and not under. > > Just my Opinion/Rant/Frustration > > Craig > > David Talkington wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > >What is really the difference is being able to dial 1-800-FIREWALL and > > >have someone help you out, etc. > > >Darren > > > > Yeah, I wonder if my (item b) instinct was unfair. David Pick > > mentioned herein the possibility that the company might not even WANT > > the expertise to be in-house, and while his scenario was pretty ugly, > > it suggests a more benign one ... if the company goes with an > > open-source solution, and you're the only one on staff who knows how > > to use it, they are then dependent on your talent. Great for you, but > > bad for them, if turnover is high. At least a purchased solution > > ensures some kind of support no matter who leaves the company. > > > > Your thoughts on this? Seems like a valid concern, and not one that I > > had considered. (Perhaps I'm naive ... ) > > > > - -d > > > > - -- > > David Talkington > > Prairienet / Community Networking Initiative > > 217-244-1962 > > dtalk@prairienet.org > > > > PGP Key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 > > > > iQEVAwUBOeA/xb1ZYOtSwT+tAQEDVwf+JUhT2WUwbDEJv0shacEfksTScESJb3rI > > Wjv61ZeD/bWrac000SIRakmnUROUecSAq86wIRxX7xj/dcRakBX8TpUUxSwwyrWM > > Pzpy83J4KC81WOvJDS9NUWdJjaagez1edEyyL9PGYGeiBZyglPT4lx/8QsT4GiJl > > ONVOcYmvflAYkmFKRQmE+zBEOsj/qo/g5+64KzmHlEMI00/4yRHvAa2OzETPlLb3 > > sFCtChRgnfQBt20cfGTVerykISFvMcL5jQ4Silp7NzWM+qRC7K2BYI77qaRB8Bds > > tIl3OftUAurg/A23pSWljIybHNFbgV3DPm1bk22oMTfJoTmn4/omVg== > > =Ms+U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message