From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 24 22:00:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08611 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.shadow.net ([204.177.71.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08604 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:00:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vladik@shadow.net) Received: from ararat.mygus.com (root@ppp-185.shadow.net [207.17.58.205]) by mail.shadow.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24079 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by shadow.net via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: Vladik MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:14:45 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix Desktop In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981224164708.006a0228@we.mediaone.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19981224133345.006990d4@we.mediaone.net> <3.0.1.32.19981224164708.006a0228@we.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13955.10851.337409.38369@ararat.mygus.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gummibear@we.mediaone.net writes: > At 04:23 PM 12/24/98 -0800, rick hamell wrote: > > > >> Lately, I have basically evaluating the X Windows system, and I just can't > >> figure out why it hasn't been made any easier for average users. I can't > >> figure out why antialiased fonts (such as true type fonts) haven't been > >> made the standard. I can't figure out why there hasn't been a solution to > >> the problem of not having a standardized Interface (or a few standardized > >> interfaces to choose from when developing applications or whatever - choice > >> isn't a bad thing). I can't figure out why the standard X libraries and > >> widget set hasn't been given the 90's look and feel (ala qt libraries). > > > > There is a possiblity of another Windowing system. BUT, something > >you're over looking is that there are several more Window Managers then > >you've tried. FVMN, Enlightenment, Afterstep. One of them may do what you > >want. Supposedly Enlightenment is pretty configurable. > > > > Rick > > I am new to FreeBSD, however I have been Linux for sometime, specifically debian distribution. Every time I install a package (a program or set of programs) it automatically updates the configuration files for all currently installed window managers. And if a particular user does not explicitly override the system wide config files for a particular window manager -- he/she automatically sees the new things on his/her menu. So I never have to edit any .rc files. I also assumed that it is the same way on FreeBsd -- but I guess not (I did not install X yet). Also when I install icewm or window maker (thouse are the 2 I use), they come prepackaged with bunch of Different configurations, so from the menu I can choose various backgrounds/menu bar styles/etc without even knowing anything about RC files. The things that are still difficult with linux (at least for me) are setting up Internet dial-up, Xemacs (to read the news groups and mails)/Fonts for various programs. Basically I am trying to find programs/packages that allow me to configure that stuff without knowing anything about the config files, all GUI driven wizard, that set the whole system up. I think a good packagin system together with programs like "dofile generators" will do the job eventually. Overall if FreeBSD does not have that type of packaging system -- it make sense to come up with it (or re-use Debian) because people like me (and I guess the original poster) will find it a lot easier to use. Happy holidays, Vladislav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message