From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 12 21:34:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47D1106566B for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from doug-optiplex.ka9q.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10FE14E8C3 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D7BE702.9060108@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:34:58 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110304 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Ports References: <488C7790-D3E2-4441-BEC8-DD26D8917181@freebsd.org> <4D792578.6000303@FreeBSD.org> <2B21F26B-D7EA-480B-BFA2-BD12DDDB7721@FreeBSD.org> <4D7932AC.1020508@FreeBSD.org> <883EDE8E-309A-497B-A9ED-2350AC1D2546@FreeBSD.org> <20110310235432.GA11144@lonesome.com> <4D796857.1020305@FreeBSD.org> <1150BA48-1B1D-4C8E-9059-ADF5CE2C494C@FreeBSD.org> <20110311050510.GA16469@lonesome.com> <4D7B014A.7050503@FreeBSD.org> <20110312204520.GF24575@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20110312204520.GF24575@lonesome.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] GNU make 3.82 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:34:59 -0000 On 03/12/2011 12:45, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:14:50PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: >> There are way too many things happening "in private" around here and >> the only way to solve that problem is to open the doors. > > Would you please offer examples of decisions that you feel that way about? Clearly it would be inappropriate for me to comment publicly on things that were discussed in private, so no, I'm not going to do that. Meanwhile, I've been fairly vocal in public about my concerns with the direction that ports management has taken over the last several years, and I think that the fact that (for starters) we don't have consistent or timely packages being built for any of our branches is a pretty good indication that things are not moving in the direction that they need to be, and that throwing open the doors to get more input (and more help) is the right way to go. FreeBSD generally, and ports in particular, has one of the most pathologically incestuous modes of operation I've ever seen, even taking into account that it is a volunteer organization. And while there have been plenty of good things that have happened with FreeBSD to a large extent this "keep it in the family" mentality has caused a great deal of stagnation. Take a look around at what other OS' are accomplishing, with a fraction of the resources we have available. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/