From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 15 14:43:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955DA37B406 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5FLgZt59109; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: jmallett@xMach.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010615144235I.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:42:35 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 71 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a good reference, but sadly it only really refers to "the sockets paradigm as first popularized by BSD", which means they could have followed the API without touching a single line of BSD code. To reiterate: What I'm looking for is some true, hard evidence that Microsoft has used BSD code in any of their operating systems. A number of people have sent me anecdotal evidence and "I heard from a friend" type stories, but sadly I cannot use any of that. What I need is tangible proof - the people working on this story have already heard all the stories and now what they're looking for is the kind of confirmation that can be cited and independently verified. I can't name names, but suffice it to say that it will be a small (and very visible) coup for us if we can help them prove this. Thanks. - Jordan From: "Joseph A. Mallett" Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/winsock/apistart_9g1e.htm mentions > BSD, not sure if is direct enough. > > I'm downloading the SDK right now so I can grepmonkey through the latest > and greatest headers, etc. > > HTH > > -- > [ Joseph Mallett ] [ http://srcsys.org ] > [ xMach Core Team xMach: Proactively Unbloated Microkernel BSD ] > [ FreeBSD, NetBSD, & xMach User; (Obj)C(++) Coder ] [ http://xMach.org ] > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Joseph A. Mallett wrote: > > > Do you happen to have any of their Winsock propoganda handy (specifically > > developer materials or winsock.h header file)? I know for a fact that they > > have said repetedly that some of it was taken directly from Berkely. I'm > > just not sure where... I'm going to start digging through my stuff to see > > if I can find anything. > > > > -- > > [ Joseph Mallett ] [ http://srcsys.org ] > > [ xMach Core Team xMach: Proactively Unbloated Microkernel BSD ] > > [ FreeBSD, NetBSD, & xMach User; (Obj)C(++) Coder ] [ http://xMach.org ] > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > > I've had several marketing types approach me recently for details as > > > to whether or not Microsoft was using the BSD TCP/IP stack and/or user > > > utilities, and though it's always been "common knowledge" in the > > > community that they were, when I set about to "prove" it I found it to > > > be less easy than I'd thought. I've strings'd various binaries and > > > DLLs in my copy of Windows 98 but have yet to find anything resembling > > > proof. Does anyone out there have any details or discovery techniques > > > for confirming or disproving this assertion either way? It would be > > > very useful (for us) from a PR standpoint to know. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > - Jordan > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message