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Date:      Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:26:48 -0700
From:      Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org>
To:        Andrew Heybey <ath@niksun.com>
Cc:        freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Random hangs on (at least) SCSI reads 
Message-ID:  <200207171826.g6HIQr049869@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>

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Andrew Heybey <ath@niksun.com> writes:
> What motherboard?  Exactly how does it lock up?  Is there anything
> else going on on the machine at the time?

Intel D845GLAD. It locks up with the HDD light frozen on. 

> I ask because we have seen hard lockups on an Intel STL2
> motherboard.  A PCI bus analyzer on the bus sees the disk controller
> vainly trying to do a memory read or write and being told to retry
> by the chipset.  We have seen these with 4.2 and with 4.5.

Well we've isolated the problem (we think). These machines are built
using a 2U case. This requires a PCI riser card that plugs into the
motherboard PCI slot and provides horizontal (rather than vertical)
card mounting options.

With that riser card out, I've run the same "crashme" script which
puts a moderate to heavy load on the disk subsystem, and the machine
is still up (16 hours and counting).

Electronically speaking that riser card adds a extra capacitance and
resistance that is probably not in the design spec for PCI. That's
the current theory anyway. I don't know enough about PCI to know
if that makes sense or not. I do know we are going to try slowing
down the SCSI transfer speed to see if that helps any. 

Other ideas and commentary are more than welcome. =)
------
Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
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