From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 02:05:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6FB106564A; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richo@psych0tik.net) Received: from bedford.accountservergroup.com (bedford.accountservergroup.com [50.22.11.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC958FC0A; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from boxand.lnk.telstra.net ([203.45.130.125] helo=richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au) by bedford.accountservergroup.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RmxRb-0002CJ-Bi; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:02:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:02:39 +1100 From: richo To: John Kozubik Message-ID: <20120117010239.GA29529@richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au> References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://natalya.psych0tik.net/~richo/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - bedford.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - psych0tik.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, WBentley@FutureCIS.com, William Bentley Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:05:12 -0000 --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline On 16/01/12 16:13 -0800, John Kozubik wrote: > >Julian, > >On Mon, 16 Jan 2012, Julian Elischer wrote: > >>It pretty much boils down to one thing.. man power.. > > >Wouldn't there be more manpower available for more frequent minor >releases if the project were not undertaking two simultaneous >"production" releases ? Specifically, wouldn't it have been feasible >to be at 8.4 right now if much of 2011 had not been spent breaking >ground on 9.0 ? > >Further, isn't the lack of focus, or "polish" of the current release >also impacted by these decisions ? > >Of course there is a limited amount of manpower, but for the points I >raised that was a symptom, not a cause... This would be a different argument if all the devs were paid a salary. In many instances the devs in question wouldn't have the motivation to work on the maintenence release, in others the work is sponsored but is moving in a direction that is fundamentally incompatible with the 8.x release. I'm not trying to refute your input, just offering some insight about how it may not be strictly accurate. -- richo || Today's excuse: Please excuse me, I have to circuit an AC line through my head to get this database working. http://blog.psych0tik.net --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPFMivAAoJEIKiWz6J5yQVIQEIAMC9IlJfx6yDb1q3d308KXxd GlAQhigcX5yVa51mx+LWBgpzbQbibSdwAgDjM+8f7QSk75WWcGlB8KW1ARSIPRO4 q1oHnh/jgPdM1f/WPQHk/XNxUID58cUjBY/RmmT10ZEkbk+hGFRfN0Eq1OLvD5W/ IxMAkdrWE67mScOPibydlPH5asj9LL6s/+1T9uvJDa9G/ysvv86YOj1lNxLQpJ6Q F1SdtpxkiSX5Ih/668+F/XhEhzNu/QDWav4rhRVyMXm0xGhEGzvv4n+bIqIdhW67 ZWOlGJbXevH9DQv5Vqlizb+f9DGKIwT7b198ZGfpifhnFG0GU+OSvE+BckiE3Cw= =TTEt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm--