From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 25 16:38:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts6.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4616537B404; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.187.200]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020425233800.DOFI7852.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:38:00 -0400 Received: from lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.4]) by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 607EB56; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:36:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:36:57 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: Terry Lambert Cc: Antoine Beaupre , hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: packaging base Message-ID: <20020425233657.GE14538@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: The Anarcat , Terry Lambert , Antoine Beaupre , hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.org References: <3CC73F29.1C6B1DA2@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="o0ZfoUVt4BxPQnbU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CC73F29.1C6B1DA2@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --o0ZfoUVt4BxPQnbU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed Apr 24, 2002 at 04:26:33PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Antoine Beaupre wrote: > > Le Mercredi 24 avril 2002, =E0 11:12 , Mike Meyer a =E9crit : > > > Your simple shell script has to prompt for floppies. That needs UI > > > code. The people who know have decided that the current UI code isn't > > > up to snuff. Hence libh. > >=20 > > Come on.. The current package system and sysinstall are quite good at > > prompting for a simple yes/no question. The issue is really not there, I > > think. >=20 > Actually, the prompting is problematic. All such questions should, > by definition, be front-loaded. Otherwise, you have to babysit the > installation process, which is never a good thing. Yes. But right now, that's how it's made anyways. My point is that it's not related to packaging base. =20 > But that's beside the point: basically, any HCI (Human Computer > Interaction) is, by definition, through a UI. >=20 > > Libh is developping a UI, fine. But we need to develop a way to package > > base efficiently. >=20 > A good first start would be to have it be composed of packages > instead of distfiles, and to have a mandatory/optional flag. Yes. If the base Makfiles were setup to generate packages instead of distros, I think a lot of people would be much happier. > Actually, wasn't Eric Melville already dealing with this? You're probably referring to the binup project? Well I haven't seen much come out of the project lately, so I wonder... > > I'm concerned with getting base packaged. It shouldn't be too hard to > > package base in either libh or classic pkgtools once the framework is in > > place. > >=20 > > I'm concerned that since libh doesn't currently aim at handling the > > current bin.xx brute-force system, it will need base to be packaged in > > order to install a running system. >=20 > That's an incredibly positive thing (IMO). Yup. A. --=20 Why bother building more nukes until we use the ones we already have? --o0ZfoUVt4BxPQnbU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzIkxgACgkQttcWHAnWiGdH+gCeIuzRtvmLng7Af4UV7uUXKsGH ursAn2hQN9lUOR274cN/iSW7Ux3BAuyl =qY7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --o0ZfoUVt4BxPQnbU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message