From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 18:13:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DB616A4CE; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB343D48; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20040109021354012006jd0ge>; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:13:54 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i092CHYS019994; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i092CBnT019993; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <1073533525.650.59.camel@localhost> <20040108.105920.09775084.imp@bsdimp.com> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:12:11 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20040108.105920.09775084.imp@bsdimp.com> (M. Warner Losh's message of "Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:59:20 -0700 (MST)") Message-ID: <9td69t98g4.69t@mail.comcast.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:39:24 -0800 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:13:57 -0000 "M. Warner Losh" writes: > Ryan Sommers writes: > : Something like this might also jeopardize the > : project's "not for profit" status. > > The project is not a legally incorporated entity at this time, and > never has been in the past. And yet the "Legal" page carries a claim of copyright for "The FreeBSD Project" and the "Copyright" page has that plus a similar claim for "FreeBSD, Inc." (For 2004, even.) I've not seen a US statute about false copyright claims, but I think it would be less risky to say "all intellectual property is owned by its owners", in the manner of some trademark statements. The "Legal" page could tell about using CVS to determine who owns what so they can be tracked down and asked if the copyright page is correct about what license they've got it under. :) Whether the project is "for profit" depends upon the definition, if the project is claiming copyright ownership, because gains of intellectual property is considered (by US copyright law, at least) to be a financial gain. But lots of organizations, formal and informal, have financial gains without problems with being considered "for profit", so if someone sees "for profit" problems, they should be specific about what the problems might be.