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Date:      Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:34:57 +0000
From:      Shiva Bhanujan <Shiva.Bhanujan@Quorum.net>
To:        Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Karli_Sj=F6berg?= <karli.sjoberg@slu.se>, Gary Palmer <gpalmer@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "freebsd-fs@freebsd.org" <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>, Jeremy Faulkner <gldisater@gmail.com>
Subject:   RE: FreeBSD restartable send/receive over WAN
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I ran the same set of tests between 2 FreeBSD instances, connected on a 1G =
LAN.  The the comms was setup using mbuffer.  Here's the basic command.=0A=
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time zfs send -v <snapshot> | <compress> | mbuffer -O <IP>:8099 -b 1024 -m =
128M -P 10 -q -l /tmp/mbuffer.log=0A=
mbuffer -4 -I 8099 -b 1024 -m 128M -q -l /tmp/mbuffer.log | <uncompress> | =
zfs recv <snapshot>=0A=
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Here are the results that I got.=0A=
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no compression:=0A=
real    3m18.591s=0A=
user    0m0.390s=0A=
sys     0m8.177s=0A=
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xz -0:=0A=
real    7m26.349s=0A=
user    7m6.436s=0A=
sys     0m8.471s=0A=
=0A=
pxz -0:=0A=
real    2m28.470s=0A=
user    6m44.168s=0A=
sys     0m12.002s=0A=
=0A=
gzip:=0A=
real    3m12.482s=0A=
user    3m8.260s=0A=
sys     0m4.974s=0A=
=0A=
lz4:=0A=
real    1m58.363s=0A=
user    0m10.000s=0A=
sys     0m8.708s=0A=
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lz4 still comes out best.  Is there anything else that I might be missing i=
n my tests?  don't have a real setup at this time to test WAN connections, =
but I'd like to think that these results can be extrapolated to a WAN link =
also.  =0A=
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________________________________________=0A=
From: Ronald Klop [ronald-lists@klop.ws]=0A=
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:44 AM=0A=
To: Karli Sj=F6berg; Gary Palmer; Shiva Bhanujan=0A=
Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org; Jeremy Faulkner=0A=
Subject: Re: FreeBSD restartable send/receive over WAN=0A=
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:04:16 +0100, Shiva Bhanujan=0A=
<Shiva.Bhanujan@quorum.net> wrote:=0A=
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> thanks for all the pointers for the compression algorithms.  I ran a few=
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> tests to compare compression overhead.  These are local zfs=0A=
> send/receive, and no network is involved.=0A=
>=0A=
> time zfs send -v <src-snapshot> | <compress> | <uncompress> | zfs=0A=
> receive -s <dst-snapshot>=0A=
>=0A=
> Here are the performance results that I got.=0A=
>=0A=
> no compression:=0A=
> real    0m20.892s=0A=
> user    0m0.000s=0A=
> sys     0m5.587s=0A=
>=0A=
> xz -0:=0A=
> real    8m38.569s=0A=
> user    10m28.551s=0A=
> sys     0m6.866s=0A=
>=0A=
> pxz -0:=0A=
> real    4m38.448s=0A=
> user    10m55.863s=0A=
> sys     0m13.324s=0A=
>=0A=
> gzip:=0A=
> real    3m51.297s=0A=
> user    4m12.035s=0A=
> sys     0m4.696s=0A=
>=0A=
> lz4:=0A=
> real    0m29.912s=0A=
> user    0m16.543s=0A=
> sys     0m10.810s=0A=
>=0A=
>=0A=
> lz4 has the least overhead in terms of time.   pxz/xz seem to be=0A=
> prohibitive give the above results.  Unless, there is something basic=0A=
> I'm missing?=0A=
>=0A=
> I was really hoping that compressed sends would be available, as that=0A=
> would actively eliminate this overhead, given that we use lz4 as the=0A=
> compression algorithm when writing to disks.=0A=
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=0A=
Why don't you test this with a network in between? That would give much=0A=
more valuable numbers to compare for your use case.=0A=
The number above say nothing about the gain vs the bottleneck you are=0A=
trying to remove.=0A=
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Ronald.=0A=
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> ________________________________=0A=
> From: Karli Sj=F6berg [karli.sjoberg@slu.se]=0A=
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 8:41 AM=0A=
> To: Gary Palmer=0A=
> Cc: Shiva Bhanujan; Jeremy Faulkner; freebsd-fs@freebsd.org=0A=
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD restartable send/receive over WAN=0A=
>=0A=
>=0A=
> Den 26 feb. 2017 4:16 em skrev Gary Palmer <gpalmer@freebsd.org>:=0A=
>>=0A=
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 02:08:59PM +0000, Shiva Bhanujan wrote:=0A=
>> > The compression that we use on our ZFS filesystems is lz4.  So, if I=
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>> have to pipe it through a compression algorithm, that'd be=0A=
>> uncompressing and compressing it 4 times.=0A=
>> >=0A=
>> > disk (lz4) -> zfs send (uncompress) -> compress (gzip) -> (network)=0A=
>> -> uncompress (gzip) -> zfs recv (compress) -> disk (lz4)=0A=
>> >=0A=
>> > isn't this quite expensive?  We have to transfer multi terabyte files=
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>> on a WAN link.  I'm also of the understanding that gzip by itself is=0A=
>> single-threaded, so that'd peg one of the CPUs to 100%.  there might be=
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>> other compression algorithms that can be used, but sending the ZFS as=0A=
>> it is compressed on the filesystem is something that would be optimal,=
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>> and would reduce the overhead of the additional [de]compressions that=0A=
>> are taking place?=0A=
>>=0A=
>> Without going into the efficiency part of your message:=0A=
>>=0A=
>> archivers/pigz: Parallel GZIP=0A=
>> archivers/pbzip2: Parallel BZIP2=0A=
>> archivers/pixz: Parallel, indexing version of XZ=0A=
>> archivers/pxz: Parallel LZMA compressor using liblzma=0A=
>=0A=
> Also worth mentioning is, obviously:=0A=
> archivers/lz4=0A=
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> :)=0A=
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> /K=0A=
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>>=0A=
>> Regards,=0A=
>>=0A=
>> Gary=0A=
>>=0A=
>> >=0A=
>> > ________________________________________=0A=
>> > From: owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org] on=
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>> behalf of Jeremy Faulkner [gldisater@gmail.com]=0A=
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:03 PM=0A=
>> > To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org=0A=
>> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD restartable send/receive over WAN=0A=
>> >=0A=
>> > Pipe it through a compressor=0A=
>> >=0A=
>> > On 2017-02-25 2:09 PM, Shiva Bhanujan wrote:=0A=
>> > > Hi,=0A=
>> > >=0A=
>> > > I just tried restartable send/receive in 10.3 and it works like a=0A=
>> charm.  I was wondering if compressed send has made its way into=0A=
>> FreeBSD?  I checked 10.3 and 11.0-RELEASE, and I don't see the=0A=
>> -c/--compressed option.  Any pointers?=0A=
>> > >=0A=
>> > > Regards,=0A=
>> > > Shiva=0A=
>> > >=0A=
>> > >=0A=
>> > > ________________________________________=0A=
>> > > From: owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org]=0A=
>> on behalf of Adam Nowacki [nowakpl@platinum.linux.pl]=0A=
>> > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:41 AM=0A=
>> > > To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org=0A=
>> > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD restartable send/receive over WAN=0A=
>> > >=0A=
>> > > On 2017-02-16 19:22, Shiva Bhanujan wrote:=0A=
>> > >> Hello,=0A=
>> > >>=0A=
>> > >> I was wondering if restartable send/receive is available in=0A=
>> FreeBSD?  We're running 10.2 and have a requirement of sending and=0A=
>> receiving ZFS snapshots over a WAN link.  The snapshots could be more=0A=
>> than a few terabytes.=0A=
>> > >>=0A=
>> > >> Can somebody please give me pointers, and if this feature is or=0A=
>> isn't available in FreeBSD?=0A=
>> > >=0A=
>> > > FreeBSD 10.3 and later.=0A=
>> > >=0A=
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