From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Jun 13 23:24:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270F51000265 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6BB81F1E for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5A5B21000258; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F351000257 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x232.google.com (mail-it0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B943A81F1C for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x232.google.com with SMTP id l6-v6so6265703iti.2 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=zeheL/enFjhTSq+XXwjaIU75eBMw/ePyR23ecLbXufU=; b=J366PIzvOTDKsWBS6IBXpL+bDRPlSGUG9qeHAsX7ww6Af2DePMCqiOA7186mgYlvAJ 8SfKaq/FHCfIkZc4HM8JiUe6A6tHrbatH1AJUdVF2BncHaUMvd9HXahmxMr/W+5MZzUd RBO3R3fwJV4nduaS2pB2I12wRZ8isiJq6BeWO8KkqVoOLrY4Wj6EilTQ/eT8D5u5Zb8J Snur0uYzdHYuGi6OPDQebqdgBe0DblNrl7+KruBQoYNPOnx7ANne8oCgylXhfxjWaG6K 71mo9FmvpkMkZw/dFLr4tAlMDCgsw5HjomQZMUIbrdIDf3Dt5UDpU7ZUpHG4LgfpGu6w 6wEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zeheL/enFjhTSq+XXwjaIU75eBMw/ePyR23ecLbXufU=; b=YKRhs8r9OmMnJu+bfvr3zSQagXacOaualiQefC2+33LjjlCVgDjeC1xCVdiHUEKlAC L2TbZ6Hm2bv08A6mYyIKMabTx0NHC8fcgLBXiRIcz5awpVAE3fd6Bfc37fEOJ0DYXZkn 8fJIA2nfg8NWJbb5WLpjxA6ohWCViQyM6dnXVCYEoP4hzCT2cgGBhgnSlO6FcNyq8vOx 8JF4grfky92hSPIO7lIce/t+6iHp+LWIYUw4wR3Bz39mCu3cpapv764a3ZlEsa7vmmnw BZIBwaw811yA8TTL43lWOkyQEyVJNpfrBeON21Gfhli07RaoScOjijGvCZKg53AXAu2D v/+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1lXbBaGCb7nzYiU+3fLZ53P+32NzOaMAx3FLuDTH5FM95J4KQO 3UzmXPV19wos5zqRKhTmKVq/DyvCO9Fp4cMYwqC59A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIeqjuHuhtkXQkkXA+k0ne/oMXK2H7wddXK5gDfixRSUQIu39Gr+lPl4qpQzT2CfM+CA+LoVWHfNaA8cI0VLu4= X-Received: by 2002:a24:64ce:: with SMTP id t197-v6mr153106itc.36.1528932254073; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 2002:a4f:d028:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <861063.32056.qm@web101713.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> References: <540973.43848.qm@web101701.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> <861063.32056.qm@web101713.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:24:13 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZjLw9CiLa-Jyxq2FQWakPGJtlHQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Armeb removal before 12 To: Mori Hiroki Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:24:16 -0000 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Mori Hiroki wrote: > Hi > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: Warner Losh > >To: Mori Hiroki > >Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" ; " > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" > >Date: 2018/6/14, Thu 07:57 > >Subject: Re: Armeb removal before 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Mori Hiroki > wrote: > > > >Hi. > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Warner Losh > >>> To: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" ; " > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" > >>> Cc: > >>> Date: 2018/6/14, Thu 01:55 > >>> Subject: Armeb removal before 12 > >>> > >>> I'd like to remove armeb before 12.0. > >>> > >>> It's poorly supported today. > >>> > >>> Nobody has tested the concurrency kit changes on it. And ck is now > >>> mandatory. We don't even know if it works or not. > >>> > >>> Last time we asked, it took quite a while to find users. > >>> > >>> It maxes out at 256MB of RAM. This is barely large enough for FreeBSD > to > >>> run in. > >> > >>sys/arm/ralink target is only 16M of RAM. I use bridge on this target > >>work fine. > >> > > > > > >Even with current? It seems to have grown a lot. Even FreeBSD 11 on my > atmel boards, the 32MB ones can't really do much of anything (though a > custom /etc/rc.d might be usable). The 64MB ones I have troubles logging > into without disabling a ton of stuff. And FreeBSD-current is even larger. > > > > > >Are you using a custom rc.d in this setup? > > > Of course CURRENT. > > https://gist.github.com/yamori813/88224f1c96c9c592fb611b12a15e4ab5 > > > I use custom rc.d by ZRouter build system. > Cool! You have 10MB available. what all runs in that little space? I didn't see too much starting up Warner > Thanks > > Hiroki Mori > > > > >I have FWIXP422BB target(Planex BRC-14VG) with 32M of RAM. I never build > >>FreeBSD for this target. > >> > >>I want build for FWIXP422BB but clang cross build is very slow. It take > >>7 hour on my machine. > > > > > >I'm sorry to hear that. Even on my fast machines, it takes long time. > > > > > >Warner > > > > > > > > > >>> > >>> The hardware was last made almost a decade ago. > >>> > >>> It uses non-standard non-mainstream boot loaders (boot technology has > moved > >>> on from redboot). > >>> > >>> The cost of doing API sweeps, make universe runs, etc exceeds the > benefit > >>> to the project. > >>> > >>> So, given all these factors, it sounds like a good candidate for > retirement. > >>> > >>> Therefore, I'd like to remove it on July 15th. > >>> > >>> Comments? (please keep them on topic to this specific thing: there's > other > >>> things that may also be past their freshness date, we'll discuss those > in a > >>> separate thread). > >>> > >>> Warner > >> > >>> ______________________________ _________________ > >>> freebsd-arm@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/ mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@ freebsd.org > " > >>> > >> > > > > > > >