From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 12:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8325916A4CE; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DD043D2F; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:50:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i09Ko5HV092814; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:50:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost)i09Ko5iE092811; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:50:05 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:50:05 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: "Gary W. Swearingen" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040109224028.P32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:50:21 -0000 On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > "M. Warner Losh" writes: > > > Whatever. I've consulted lawyers on this who assure me that it is > > legal. You've admitted to not knowing US Copyright law and are aguing > > emotion, which is why I didn't reply to the rest of your message. > > You obviously don't want to discuss this, and it's easy to guess the > real reasons. Your main problem here, and apparently that of your > lawyers, is that you don't understand what the issues are to which > copyright law is to be applied. The legality of collective copyrights > was not my issue. Your other problem is putting words in people's > mouth; I would never admit to know not knowing US copyright law > because I know it quite well enough to argue FreeBSD's IP issues with > anybody. If I don't write with the same seeming authority as you, > that's more your problem than mine. > > I expected my comments to be ignored or brushed off, but I didn't > expect to be brushed off in your rude and insulting manner. Maybe > when I've recovered, and if I haven't made my move to NetBSD yet, I'll > write up a more complete explanation of FreeBSD's IP problems instead > of trying to deal with the likes of you in a conversation. > Please do. But could you also include reasoning for use of US specific view (if thats what you are going to use) as there is essentially no reason why US copyright regulations and practices should preferentialy apply to it. Especially as the licence has no such stipulations about applicable law in it. > > We can all be glad that it hasn't mattered and might never matter that > the FreeBSD IP situation is so shabby, I suppose because it sends the > message that it's all essentially a Gentlemen's Agreement, with only a > few violators who are more-or-less tolerated. > It is not clear that there is a way - as things stand - to get to a point where this wouldnot be the case. In appears very doubtful there is such a way unless you can get to get everybody whose code has been ever commited to send in a real written on paper copyright transfer, the chances of which are essentialy 0, even should you be able to trace down all involved.