From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon Apr 13 09:13:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167312B8408 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4912wx4hYWz4Ldj for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9F2A12B8407; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEEA2B8406 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4912wx1CVhz4Ldh; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03D9EI04076741 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Apr 2020 02:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) X-Mailer: Cypht MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD X11 , Niclas Zeising , Alexey Dokuchaev In-Reply-To: From: Chris Reply-To: bsd-lists@BSDforge.com To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: Ars Technica article Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 02:14:24 -0700 Message-Id: <8b5ff406206a0c2f67475269a752127d@udns.ultimatedns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4912wx1CVhz4Ldh X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.45 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.740,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.71)[-0.709,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:55 -0000 On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 01:11:30 -0600 Warner Losh imp@bsdimp=2Ecom said > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:24 PM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote= : >=20 > > [ setting CC to a more appropriate -x11@ list ] > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:43:00AM +0000, Niclas Zeising wrote: =2E=2E=2Ebig snip=2E=2E=2E > in this part of the stack: the drm-kmod maintainer's job shifted so he's > had to resign from that role=2E We have nobody to even update to newer Linu= x > driver versions (though we might have a promising person in the wings)=2E > There's literally nobody that has the time, the hardware, the docs and th= e > expertise to help with this older video hardware (at least as evidence of > it's remaining broken for a long, long time)=2E Until that person shows up, > you will unfortunately be out of luck=2E OK I've bit my tongue as long as I can on this=2E=2E=2E How is importing yet more Linux code into FreeBSD a better thing? Or how is it *fixing* anything regarding FreeBSD=2E For clarity; I don't dislike Linux=2E I just prefer to use (Free)BSD=2E I'm frankly alarmed with the apparen= t volume that Linux code is entering the FreeBSD code base=2E I noticed much of the UEFI bits are also converted Linux bits=2E I suppose for a quick needed stop-gap solution it might be reasonable=2E But it appears that a tremendous amount of time, and effort has gone into all this, and given the previously mentioned lack of man-power=2E It seems unlikely that any of this will be replaced with a FreeBSD equivalent=2E I'm not blowing smoke here=2E I earmarked some time that I wouldn't be taking contracts so that I could invest some time on FreeBSD concerning "nits" I had that I thought could improve things a bit=2E I looked into taking the time to make it nearly/fully POSIX complain= t=2E Browsing the code=2E It was clear I wouldn't stand a chance unless I started at ~9=2Ex where it starts to go sideways in fairly rapid succession=2E So I decided to look elsewhere=2E I've had some nits with the Graphics dept=2E so I thought I'd look to see where I could best spend my efforts=2E Then the new Xorg landed=2E Well that's going a *completely* different direction than it was, and I don't think I want to participate in that new direction=2E I've finally landed on working on bolstering sc/syscons in an effort to provide graphics mode switching and detection to it=2E Sorry if I've usurped this thread=2E But it's really been bothering me, and I think others=2E So I just said it=2E Thank you for your indulgence=2E --Chris Oh! I'm *not* directing this at you Warner=2E Just responding in the thread=2E >=20 > Warner >=20 > =2E/danfe > > > > *) https://bugs=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/bugzilla/show_bug=2Ecgi?id=3D237642 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-x11@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list > > https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list > https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg"